From Burnout to Jeju: The Tour Guide Helping the World Discover Korea’s Most Magical Island | Soraya Ho 허소라

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Welcome to this episode of the
Holly Hughes Podcast, where

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people come to listen to stories
and life about living a life

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outside of the corporate box.
Today, I'm excited because I

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know this woman.
Actually, I know three people

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with her name, which is part of
what I can't wait to get into.

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But Sora Ho is a multilingual
goddess of Jeju.

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This is what I've given you as a
title.

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She's an official tour guide,
and she has her own podcast,

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which is called Vamos A Jeju.
So welcome, Sora.

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Thank you for joining me.
Hello everyone, thank you for

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having me.
Goddess subject you.

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That's a big man.
I love it.

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I think we met on a tour and I
want to know how you went from

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corporate America, IT technology
to managing personalities and

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people coming to a place that
you live and love.

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So can you bring me through that
and don't skip over Africa?

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It's very random.
So first of all, I studied

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English Literature and Business
from University, University of

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Seoul.
And then after graduation I

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start working in E company in
like corporate Korean company

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and you know, as skiing.
I was working there as a

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developer for four years.
And back then the working, you

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know, in Korea, we say work,
work and life balance and it was

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not good.
It was really, really bad.

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So sometimes we work like until
one AM, 2:00 AM and then we had

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to go back to the office in the
morning like 8:00 AM.

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So there's no life at all.
So I did like for four years,

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and I felt like, oh, I'm done.
And actually there's one more

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story, actually one of my
Sunday, you know, Sunday.

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Yeah, I like say that in English
like.

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Like an older senior.
Like a senior.

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Right, just one I.
Think that's.

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Yeah, I think that's a word they
should actually use often in the

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translations of shows because
they say it so often.

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I was like, if you actually just
say the word, we'll understand

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it.
That's one of.

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My things, yeah.
So one of my someday, like most

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important someday he commit a
suicide.

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OK.
Yeah, in that it affect me a

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lot, a lot.
So I could not stand working in

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the same places.
So I was like, OK, I'm done.

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I'm, I'm just quitting this job.
And back then my, one of my

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friends, he travelled to Latin
America.

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So he just told me that it's a
really good place.

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So I was like, OK, I'm quitting
my job and there's nothing to

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do, so I'll just go to America.
So I I plan to travel like for

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one or two months.
And then I extended the travel

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for six months.
Wow.

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It was really.
Yeah.

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I was really happy, I think.
So after six months.

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So I came back to Korea and then
I was into salsa dancing that

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time because Latin America, they
dance a lot.

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So I met a girl in the club,
salsa club.

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And then she told me like she
know one travel agency, they're

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looking for a tour leather.
So maybe you can try that one.

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So I tried the interview with
the owner, with the boss, and

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then he said, OK, OK, let's work
together.

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So I start working as a tour
leather for Korean girls to go

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to Latin America around 10
years.

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Wait, wait, I have to stop
because this is also many good

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things.
I had two roommates from South

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America.
One was Colombian and 1 was

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Argentinian and they're dancing.
Forget it.

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Like when when you're saying
salsa, if if anyone has not

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actually danced with someone
from Latin America, you cannot

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understand the power and the
sexiness of how they move.

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And they are.
The men are very in command of

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it and I always tell this story.
I think one of the most

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beautiful humans I ever met.
His name was Maro and I could

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first of all, he was so out of
my league.

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He was just no and but he was
the cousin of my roommate so he

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was always there and I would
just be in the corner like

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little chubby version of me.
They call me Gordita.

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I was like, I was like man,
because I became fluent.

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I definitely could understand
everything and they would

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practice their English while I
practice my Spanish.

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So by the end we would just be
bickering, right?

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Because we could talk so fast,
right?

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But I would just be like,
because he was so good looking.

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And then I one day he's like, do
you want to dance with me?

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I was like, yeah, yeah.
And we dance.

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And of course there was nothing.
But he was so good, you know,

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like he just twisted me
everywhere.

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And I can dance, I dance.
But like an American salsa class

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is very different than after
hours club because all the

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clubs, I was in Washington, DC
then, so the Latin American

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clubs all opened at midnight or
1:00 AM.

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So they opened up very late and
they stayed open until 5:00 in

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the morning.
And then I would go to school.

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I'm just saying.
Wow.

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I know, but see, they were all
on drugs.

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They were all on drugs.
And I didn't know that because I

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didn't.
I'm so naive.

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I didn't do any.
So they were all high as a kite.

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That's how they did it, but not
me.

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I just dragged my tiredness
over.

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But that's very different.
And the Spanish they speak is

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different than the Spanish I
learned in school, which was

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much more from Spain and a
little bit with the Castilian.

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Right.
Which is, I would assume easier

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to learn or speak because I find
Korean is in the front of the

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mouth as well, right?
You guys touch your tongue there

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often too when speaking?
It's one of my big stumbling box

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in learning the language is that
it's like my tongue is not in

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the right spot.
Whatever.

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That's very.
Weird.

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It doesn't really matter.
I try.

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Some people don't like it.
Like some people like, oh,

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that's good, You tried.
Other people are like, my

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teacher was like, that's not how
you do it.

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I was like, it's my first time
saying this word.

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Just give me, let me try.
Let me try.

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Look at your face.
I mean, language is for

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communication.
You don't really need to put

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like the right exact what is the
right pronunciation because also

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Korean people don't make the
sounds properly.

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You know that like we always
make, we always mumble.

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So doesn't really matter.
I think you blend sounds like,

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you know, they you blend sounds
different.

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So I think my big journey was
that after all the classes I

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took, I learned that I'm a
throat speaker.

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That guy really speak in my
throat.

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And it's Korean is much more of
a mouth language.

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But I want to know where you
were in Latin America.

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What country?
At first I traveled to Mexico,

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Cuba, through Bolivia, Ecuador,
Colombia, basically everywhere,

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Chile and Indiana.
So I went to America.

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My first time was 2015.
Back then my favorite country

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was Cuba.
But I went to Cuba this year

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again for the tour and it was
very different from what I

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experienced it before.
That's sad.

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How big is the tour that you
lead there?

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Like how many people do you
usually take over at a time?

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So usually one group is 25
Korean people and it's or one

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month.
OK, if you're not watching the

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video, my mouth is totally open
that wow.

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OK, we'll go back to that
because I want to finish like

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how you ended up back on DJ.
So I appreciate you.

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Thank you for sharing.
Because like having someone die

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by suicide is very hard.
And although I'm always curious

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about the Korean culture is part
of why I visit, there's

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something in me that feels home
there.

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That work culture is something I
I know I wrestle with because

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it's the Bali, Bali.
And I just have heard so many

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horror stories about office
workers in the amount of time

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and then the no life and all the
pressure.

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And I was hoping that that was
changing a little, but I don't

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think that it is, is it?
I think it's changing slowly,

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slowly because compared to the
time that I was in the

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corporate.
So it's been like how many years

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now?
It was 2012, so that was it's

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been 15 years and I think it's
changing and it has changed a

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lot, but still we have many
problem.

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Have you watched the new K drama
series on Netflix, The Dream

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Life of Mr. Kim?
It's about like, Korean seniors

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and it is so true.
Like, it's very crucial, but

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it's true.
I started, it started and it was

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so sad because I felt like that
would have been me that I

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stopped.
But it's like, I think it opens

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and he's like sitting in the
guy's chair or whatever.

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And I was like, oh, we're
probably the same age.

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And so I was like, I that's too
much reality for me.

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I don't want that right now.
I don't know all.

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The same thing happened sex.
Similar thing happened to me

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when I watch When life Give You
the tendering.

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Yeah.
It's not me but like I couldn't

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stop crying until like episode 4
so I was like OK, I should stop

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so I just stopped it.
I stopped that one for a while

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too.
Did you finish?

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I did.
I finish.

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I don't know if I watched the
last episode.

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I think so.
For me, it's always a

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combination of curiosity,
because that's what drives me in

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my life, like, and wanting to be
better.

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And how do I create.
When I first got turned on to

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like Korean storytelling, when I
write fiction, it's very magical

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realism.
So your Korean storytelling and

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some of the older dramas that I
watched had elements that seems

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so that made sense to me.
That was like, Oh my God, that's

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how I tell story.
That's how I see it.

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And it's often a hurdle for me.
When I share my stories, people

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are like, I don't understand.
And I'm like, what do you mean?

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So I was like, I have to work it
out.

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So that's like a writer's
problem.

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But like I just love that.
And when I was there and I'm

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Start learning about the culture
and what is life like in the

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history, the Japanese
occupation.

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Like when I start going deeper
beyond the beauty and the

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surface and K beauty and all the
things that I still enjoy,

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there's a trauma that is reminds
me of my family stories.

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So sometimes it's too much for
me and sometimes it makes me

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feel more connected, all
depending on what the the story

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is.
But there's something about the

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character.
Because you also taught me that

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Jeju is full of right wind women
in rocks, right?

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Wasn't the third one.
Rocks.

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Yes, yes.
Right, right.

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See, but when I saw the women
and why they were strong, right?

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You know, like I just had a
whole other layer to all of

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that.
So and she was always screaming

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and my grandmother was like
that.

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Everyone said she's a loud
talker.

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She would just yell at you
because she loved you.

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Like she was loud.
So that kind of reminded me of

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that.
But at some point I'm like, stop

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yelling, stop yelling.
It's why my mom says she has a

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very soft voice was because her
mother was always yelling, but I

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did not.
I know that they end up together

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like all the the things and
their story was pretty, but I

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kept thinking back of what you
had taught me and what I had

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researched and was tying it all
together.

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OK, so let's go back to you in
South America.

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OK, so you've you stay there six
months and then you come back

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and you become a guide.
So how long did you do that

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before you ended up in Jeju and
what brought you there?

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So I worked as a toileter for
Korean group from 2016 until

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this year.
And then it's long time, 10

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years.
But we had pandemic in the

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middle.
So during pandemic, you know,

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everything stopped.
We could not go outside Korea.

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And then I feel like I want to
do something new because I can't

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go outside.
I want to do something new.

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And then I found this tour
guiding inside Korea for

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foreigners.
And I started in Seoul.

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And then I didn't really enjoy
living in Seoul because, you

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know, it's busy, it's beautiful,
but it's too many people, too

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much competition.
Originally, I was born in the

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like near DMZ in a countryside.
I was born in the countryside,

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but we moved to Seoul when I was
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And I didn't really enjoy it.
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and I, we were like, we want to
go to let's go.

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I know we want to live in just
you later in the future when we

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have enough money.
And we talked about this a lot.

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Jeju.
And actually I had an interview

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with an agency in Jeju and I got
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So OK, let's just go, let's just
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So that's how it.
Happened.

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Do you live like on in the like?
Jeju is bigger than I thought.

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So I think I should tell like
what I had an idea of it, even

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though I had seen shows that it
was smaller, but it's pretty

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large.
It's like way bigger than I

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thought.
It's got different different

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places.
It's got different cities with

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in it as well.
So I think a lot of people just

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think it's Tangerines and
fishing and it's a lot more than

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that.
So that's that's amazing.

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So I live pretty rural.
You would probably like it and I

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crave cities.
So see, we have the opposite.

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It's funny.
We have funny, so I want to say

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you were an amazing I want
transfer.

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I want you were my tour guide in
Jeju and when I met you, I was

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really sick and I was really
trying not to be a bummer right,

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because I just honestly wanted
to spend one day in bed and I

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was like, well, I'm only here
for 5:00 so I can't spend a day

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in bed.
Yours like so kind and helped to

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get me medicine and I was just
like I didn't want to blow my

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nose in front.
I was like, I don't want to get

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anyone else sick, but my body
was like, I had been traveling

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for two weeks already on my own.
And my body just from the grind

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of it because I'm older than
everyone that I was traveling

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with was just, I was like
slowing down.

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But you were encouraging and
kind.

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And so I, I admire that because
I don't know if people

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understand what it's look like
to be you standings and staring

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at these strangers that you
don't know, trying to

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accommodate them and all the
needs that each person has.

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So how, what part of your
personality like let's you just

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kind of go with that because you
are very good at that.

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And, and I should also tell
people who maybe haven't been to

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Korea is that it's very hilly,
right?

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You should be in shape.
You should be able to walk at a

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good pace because the ageses and
the agamas will pass you if you

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do not get out of their way,
even on the hikes.

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So and I skipped out of a hike
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because I knew I couldn't really
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the girl in the back.
That would annoy me to no end.

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But you do have to manage people
who don't think like that.

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So how how is the sort of magic
like, how do you do that?

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Can you?
When you see people now, can you

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identify which personality they
will have?

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Or do people still surprise you?
Yeah, actually I think I'm a

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little talented on that.
I can read, I think because of

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my experience, like working with
people, like travelling.

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So when I see people I think I
know who needs help because some

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people don't feel well and some
people feel it's like

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uncomfortable with something.
And then I think I can read that

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facial expression or that
atmosphere.

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Yeah, I think that's one of my
ability to read like what people

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feel.
Do you ever take it personally

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or are you able to like keep it
like this is?

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This is just work and it's not
about me.

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Do you know like I don't?
I think a few first year of of

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how do I say like when I first
start working, I I felt that

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way.
I felt like maybe he's not

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comfortable because of me.
But then like after a few years,

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I realized that it was not me.
And then now I feel like it's

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not me.
I mean, they have something on

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their, I mean their situation.
So yeah, I think I don't really

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take it for me from me.
Yeah, yeah, Personally, yeah.

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When you like switched from like
corporate.

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Is there like something you wish
you knew about what you were

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about to do?
Or do you think it was better

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just to dive in?
I think it's better not knowing

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and dive in.
Same because most of my friends

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they're they're still in the
corporate and they make a lot of

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money.
So it's better not knowing and

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then just go for it.
That's so funny.

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So like, you're still young
though too.

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Like you, you started young and
still are working young.

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I, I like that is there, I know
in your, on your podcast.

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So I, I also know you're fluent
in now English, Spanish and

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obviously Korean.
So when you're doing your

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podcast almost did you like I, I
know that you speak in Spanish.

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So is that Channel 100% in
Spanish always?

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Oh the the podcast is 100% in
English.

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But the reels I see that you do
in Spanish.

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Yeah, also I'm preparing a tour
in Spanish.

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That's why, because the Co host
Ed is also speak some Spanish

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and then we were talking like
most of Americans, they know the

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expression vamos somewhere.
So maybe we can just use that.

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And I also preparing tour for
Spanish people, Spanish speaking

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people.
So well, actually 100% English.

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OK, excellent.
I love that because when I first

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heard it, I was like, look at
you.

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And you're like, yeah, script.
I was like, no, you can read a

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script, but you have to.
The way you speak is much more

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natural than just a script.
So I highly recommend.

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I'm a big fan.
OK, so I know what Jeju is kind

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of famous for.
What do you find people come

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there most curious about?
I think nowadays the Henya Momon

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diver and it's really big thing.
So like last week I have a

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documentary team came to Juju to
fill in the documentary for

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woman diver with the free diving
champions.

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Yeah, it was really cool.
And of course the nature here

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because we have one of the
nature.

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No, we have the seven wonders of
nature in.

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You have the big craters.
Right, that one, that one we

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went up together.
Yeah.

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Well, I think, well, I think
that's the day I skipped.

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I think that was.
Yeah, maybe.

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But like at the second day, we
went to see another crater and

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it was just raining and it's
just fog.

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It's just the weather in Jeju is
we'll give you whiplash.

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So pack for rain and bright sun.
And it's that was fascinating to

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me.
But I have a favorite hike.

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I actually took a video.
I did walk slow that day because

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I was so happy, not because I
couldn't do it.

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It was the day we went up
towards the lighthouse.

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The small islands.
Yeah, the Urdu Udo Udo, I think

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that was that little hike
because it really wasn't very

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hard, but it was so peaceful to
me.

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And the the way down that forest
was so peaceful.

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If I could camp, like I would
stay there.

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I have all these videos of just
walking down the path and

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another woman on the tour heard
Kim.

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She was there with me.
I was like, oh, at least I'm

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like, well, I've been having to
wait for people.

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They can wait 5 minutes.
I was just so happy.

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I didn't want to leave.
It was more of of that as

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opposed to anything else.
I think I felt a little better

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finally, and it was stunning.
So, you know, I'm an intuitive,

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so I can see things.
And so when I'm in Korea, I will

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see things that I don't know
what they are because they're

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not my culture and I wasn't
exposed to them.

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So when I first went to Youngju
and I saw a giant White Horse in

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my eye, like in my mind's eye,
everywhere.

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And then when I went in and saw
that it was the spirit of the

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place, I was like, OK, that's
crazy.

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And then we went to a temple and
I kept seeing they weren't

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dokebi, right?
But they looked a lot like the

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stone Dokebi, like they looked
like that gremlin.

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I don't know how to explain.
I don't have.

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Maybe you have better words to
explain what they look like.

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But it's other people the
American audience might know,

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like Foo dogs, temple dogs.
But they look their faces kind

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of round in Korea.
And I'm like looking around and

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I'm like, what, what are these?
And like I went and researched

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when we, when I got back to my
hotel, I was like, I am seeing

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all of these really cool things.
So in Jeju, in that part of the

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woods, I felt similar.
I felt like beautiful, loving,

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welcoming, like spirit.
And so I was like, well, why

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would I want to leave this spot?
I, I like this.

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And because some of the Dolkebi
were like, you can see me and

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they would give me weird looks.
And I know this all sounds

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crazy, but it's true, right?
So I would see some of that.

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But that was also very
interesting because the land of

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Jeju is so different than
actually of Korea.

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And that's like something that
you spend a lot of time teaching

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people about.
So is that part of what brought

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you there too and keeps you
there the difference?

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But I, I just want to say, I
mean, you may remember, maybe

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you remember that I, I told you
to you, we still have 18,000

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different garden goddess.
Yes, many, many.

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And then we still have a lot of
shamanistic ritual because

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actually two weeks ago we had
shamanistic ritual for the woman

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diver for the safety of the
year.

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And then we had the shaman came
and then he did those.

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How do I say the ritual?
Ritual.

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Yeah, the rituals.
And then people were crying,

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people were laughing.
Was really, really like

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fascinating, really interesting.
Maybe you should come and see

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that one and you will see a
whole different.

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I did I remember asking you to
see if I could see one, but you

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told me they don't stay in
towns, that the shamans are

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typically outside of the main
spot.

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But I have there's a Netflix
show that has all Korean

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shamans.
Did you do you know about this

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one?
But I kind.

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Of.
You know, because I, you know, I

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don't know, Korea makes me
happy.

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So they do Saju, right?
They do cards, tarot astrology

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and you know, I know they have
12 guides each 12 ancestors,

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right?
The guardians like each shaman

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when they study whatever I
those, that's what I learned

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when I research.
They brought all of these

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shamans onto a stage and for me,
I could feel all of then I could

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feel their guides watching the
show and I can I was like,

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that's too much.
And then they were testing

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people's abilities and they
brought a picture of a woman.

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And although I can feel people
who have passed, right, I'm a

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medium.
I don't like doing it.

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It makes me physically gives me
really bad headache.

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They brought a picture of a
woman who had died.

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And so everyone was writing,
like, what they saw.

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And I was like, no, this is not
a show for me.

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Like, if I could learn about how
they connect.

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But I guess there's a lot of
secrecy around it, right?

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There's like an interesting
barrier.

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And like, this is kept private,
right?

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So no matter how much I would
research something, to find it

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in English is very impossible
for me.

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But I wanted to get a set of
bells.

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I really wanted butterfly bells.
Once you come back, I'll take

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you to the shaman so you can.
I'll go for that.

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Like if in ginger actually like
not many, but some people still

450
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:57,480
do those kind of ritual and like
fortune telling for like with

451
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,480
the shaman.
So yeah, it would be really.

452
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,400
Interesting because they have
the drums and the ribbons and

453
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:09,200
they some they have fans and
knives and you know, they just

454
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,440
do it so different.
They they kind of like, force

455
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,760
themselves into a trance that
almost looks like.

456
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,200
To me, yeah, it is.
It is right.

457
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,400
Yeah, so.
Speak about because I know

458
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,680
you're studying to be a female
diver and I'm just not saying

459
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,600
the word because I can't
pronounce it very well.

460
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:31,120
So the the women divers say
their name Henya, Henya Henya.

461
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,520
See, that's a hard one for me.
So they are amazing.

462
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,240
And we saw a show of the women.
Yeah.

463
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:44,400
Yeah, so for me, the older woman
was she was so beautiful.

464
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:45,880
I even said I was like, yeah,
for that.

465
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:50,640
She's no I was like, yes, but
she was 80 and still diving.

466
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,920
And I have so many questions
about the ability to get in that

467
00:27:54,920 --> 00:28:01,360
ice cold water, right and to
still free dive and and you are

468
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:06,560
learning about it like first
hand and now are diving as well.

469
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,400
So is that one of those things
you're like, I'm just going to

470
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,560
do it or did you think about
that one?

471
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,560
I wanted to do it but before but
I was too busy.

472
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:21,520
I could not and then now I am
taking rest from the tour,

473
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,320
leading for the turian groups.
So I have time.

474
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,240
So it's OK, I have time.
Then what should I do for this

475
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,240
year?
So it was like my New Year's

476
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,760
wish, New Year's resolution.
So I just applied and then I got

477
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,360
accepted.
So like when I started something

478
00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:40,200
new, I don't really think too
much because like when I think

479
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,280
about new thing, I feel like oh,
it's going to be fun.

480
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:48,280
I don't really see the risk or I
don't see the disadvantage of

481
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,400
doing it.
I always think it's, oh, it's

482
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,200
going to be fun, just do it.
Just try and if it's not fun I

483
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,040
can just give up.
So this is what is also

484
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,560
fascinating about the handyo to
me is like their equipment isn't

485
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,960
modern right?
They still free dive in older

486
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,240
suits and older masks.
Is there a reason why they don't

487
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:14,320
modernize any of that?
Before 1970 they were using the

488
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:20,960
cotton suit, but after 1970 they
change it to the the wet suit

489
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,840
and of course it became a lot
better.

490
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:31,080
And I think nowadays for the the
mask I, I don't know why, but

491
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:36,120
they keep their equipment and
the woman diver, they don't

492
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:41,040
really see any disadvantage of
using it because they use their

493
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,840
years to it.
So they felt comfortable using

494
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,440
it.
So there's no reason to change.

495
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,080
I love that and I could never do
that.

496
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,840
So how deep can you free dive
now?

497
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:58,720
For me I can do 10m.
That's amazing, but.

498
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:04,320
I mean if you want cuz there's a
like petty, like scuba diving,

499
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,720
also free diver, there's a level
so I got like petty level 2.

500
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:13,720
It means I need to touch the 10m
and then go up so I can have the

501
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,760
level 2.
So for me, I mean I can just go

502
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,880
to the pen meter and then go up
like right away.

503
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,680
I don't, I studied Paddy.
I try to scuba dive.

504
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:29,640
I am the worst in water and my
husband is 6 foot 5.

505
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,600
He's so he's 198 centimeters.
He's a big person.

506
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,920
And so they're like, well, if
you dive with him, you have to

507
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,560
be able to flip him underwater,
right and bring him up.

508
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,200
No, I don't know.
I just do this.

509
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,640
Not good.
I could take your mask off

510
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,160
underwater right where we took
the test.

511
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,280
It was it's the Pacific, so it
was freezing.

512
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,040
I think I was the only person
they had whoever failed and I

513
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,080
tried so hard.
I like practice by putting my

514
00:30:55,080 --> 00:31:00,240
face and ice in my kitchen,
trying to not panic, but the

515
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,600
minute my forget it, then you're
choking.

516
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,680
I was like, this is so
embarrassing.

517
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:10,760
So that you can do it in any way
is amazing.

518
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,560
It is amazing.
Maybe we'll have to add some

519
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:19,640
like images of their cotton
clothing because it's just AT

520
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,200
shirt that they would swim in
the Pacific with.

521
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,160
It's crazy.
It's really cold and in spring

522
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,160
it's 1113 Celsius degree the
water.

523
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,640
Yeah, no.
And.

524
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,320
Yeah, and like last week when I
last week.

525
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:42,200
Yeah, but and when we go for
documentary, we tell them the

526
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,640
woman divers going to dive and
some of them were like the

527
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,600
oldest one was 88 years old and
then she came with her stick

528
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,840
because she could not walk
properly.

529
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,600
But once she get into the water,
she's free.

530
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,360
She spells a lot better without
gravity.

531
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,440
It was amazing.
Amazing.

532
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,040
I'd love that.
So do you think they will still

533
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,600
be around in 30 years?
Do you think there's enough

534
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,000
young people to carry that
tradition on?

535
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,720
Now we're having now we're
having a lot more young people.

536
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,680
I know some the younger ones.
She's been her 30s and we also

537
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:28,920
have one woman diver from from
US actually.

538
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,720
Do you know her though?
She's really you have your or

539
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,120
maybe you can also have her as
your guest.

540
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,880
She's she's also very.
I love that.

541
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,480
Yeah, yeah.
So there are many like young

542
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,520
woman diver, not many, but there
are a few woman diver like young

543
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:52,400
woman diver who start working as
a as a Henyo institute.

544
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,600
Wow, So what is The Apprentice
that you are?

545
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,160
You're an apprentice, Henyo.
So but it but is there a word

546
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,400
for that?
Intern Intern Henya.

547
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,520
OK, is that is that in Korean
too?

548
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,080
They just say it like.
Yeah, we just say Intel, you

549
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:07,280
know that we use so.
Many.

550
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,520
I need a better word.
You use so many Conglish.

551
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,120
Conglish.
Nice.

552
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,320
Many, many Conglish.
OK, so like what is coming up

553
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,400
next for you?
So how many tours are you going

554
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:22,560
to do?
I didn't even talk about the

555
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:23,800
sticks.
I think the sticks were my

556
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,520
favorite.
Like the sticks at the door,

557
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,200
the.
I.

558
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,760
Guess that is what stuck with
me.

559
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,800
I was like, that works for me.
3, two or one, I'm not here, go

560
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,400
away and I'll be right back.
I don't know if I loved the

561
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,680
whole idea of that.
Do people still actually do that

562
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,680
in like the rural spots or
anywhere?

563
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,960
Or is it just like a piece of
history?

564
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,640
We still use it all.
I mean, in the touristic place,

565
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,880
of course people use it.
I think in the countryside some

566
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,000
of them are still using it.
Well, first.

567
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:03,360
Now it's it's fading away.
It was one of my favorite little

568
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,360
things, but it was I was like,
that is so smart.

569
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,480
It's a great signal, especially
when you didn't have phones.

570
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:14,600
I am curious that if you had to
mentor someone to do what you

571
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:19,880
do, what would be something that
you would like, suggest or say

572
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,360
to them if you were the sombe of
someone coming?

573
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,080
I'm like, who wanted to be a
tour guide in Jeju?

574
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:31,679
Specifically, what trait or
personality or something do you

575
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:36,960
think is necessary I.
Think first of all you need to

576
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,280
light people.
I, I mean, some people told me

577
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,159
they prefer animal than human
being.

578
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:49,199
So then it's going to be hard
for them to be a tour guide

579
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:51,920
because you are going to meet
many different people.

580
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,480
And I think like each of them
has like different experience,

581
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,640
different view.
And then always there's

582
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,840
something I admire or something
I can learn from.

583
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,800
So I think that's the spirit for
being a tour guide.

584
00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:13,800
Can you do tour after tour or do
you take like downtime in

585
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,680
between?
April is the busiest season so

586
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:23,520
yeah, so I have only one or two
day off but still it's OK.

587
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:29,280
But cuz usually now I'm doing
like two or three days more.

588
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,520
So after that one one day off is
OK, but the one from goodmate

589
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,240
travel we do one week or 10
days.

590
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,440
Then I do need the down down
time, yes.

591
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,720
Do you break out your Higum for
people when on tour now?

592
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:48,520
Because now I know you're a
musician and you could play.

593
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,520
Did I say that right?
I loved that video Higum.

594
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,080
So that makes me think of Sugar
because right, he has the song.

595
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,880
Right.
You know, right?

596
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,800
So now BTS tour is out, it's
April and cherry blossoms.

597
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,640
So do those things make more
tourists come and are they

598
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,480
different than other time of
year?

599
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,680
April is the most busy season
because of cherry blossom,

600
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,280
right?
And also the weather is warm and

601
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,880
it's good.
It's nice for the hey come, the

602
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,960
Korean traditional instruments.
No, I don't bring it to that

603
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,400
group because I'm too
embarrassed.

604
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,560
But sometimes I bring it to like
the individual tours.

605
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,400
If there's only two people or
three, then I bring it and then

606
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:41,520
maybe we just try to play in the
forest.

607
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:48,320
I would have done that.
That sounds amazing, right?

608
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:54,040
So when do you think is the
actual best time to come that's

609
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,840
not popular to Jeju?
Of course, the best time is

610
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:03,600
spring and autumn, but also
winter has its own charm because

611
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,960
I really like the mountain.
I love fun.

612
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,240
The the tallest mountain in
South Korea, all covered with

613
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:14,840
white snow and it's beautiful,
beautiful.

614
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,640
It's like stunning, beautiful
so.

615
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,760
I like travelling during winter.
There's also so many less

616
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:26,520
people, so you get to have less
crowds because I should tell

617
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,960
people like I took a lot of
pretty pictures, but there are

618
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,600
many people.
There's always, always people.

619
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,680
So I think when I first arrived,
I was so surprised at that

620
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,160
because when you see pictures I
don't like people are

621
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,840
photoshopped out.
But there's a lot of people

622
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,640
everywhere, which is part of
what I like and part of what's

623
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,200
surprising.
But also sometimes you're like,

624
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,280
oh, this is this was a little
different than I thought.

625
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:56,160
So yeah, I like that.
Also in winter it's a lot

626
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,720
cheaper.
The hotels and tours and the

627
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:02,560
rental cars, everything's
cheaper and less people.

628
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,440
Less people I like, I like that.
So do you think that you are

629
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,080
just going, you're going to stay
like Jeju is your home for good

630
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:16,360
now forever?
I think so cuz actually my

631
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:23,120
husband we really love to living
in Tizu and until now we can't

632
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,680
think of moving to another
place.

633
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,560
So I think we are going to live
here for a very long time.

634
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,160
I love that for you.
So what do you think is the

635
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:41,520
misconception or the thing that
people come to see but like it

636
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,720
isn't exactly what they think it
is?

637
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,040
Is there?
Does that exist for you in

638
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:50,120
groups?
I I think not really.

639
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:55,120
I think most people really like
to see those natures and the

640
00:38:55,120 --> 00:39:00,840
woman divers.
I think those kind of reaction

641
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,600
is usually come from Koreans for
visitors.

642
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,520
No, you're the Koreans.
Ha is that old?

643
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,840
You always say that?
I don't know why.

644
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,280
I know the way you said that.
I'm like, oh, I knew that too.

645
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,880
And I was like, yeah.
That's what Korean always say

646
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,520
that.
So funny, I you know, the other

647
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,680
thing that I didn't know about
and then I screamed on the

648
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,800
beach.
I call them water bugs or

649
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,360
roaches.
The black bugs on all the rocks

650
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,480
at the beach.
You did not warn me about those.

651
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,320
And I was what?
I walked up and I was about to

652
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,240
sit on what I thought was a
Black Rock.

653
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,400
No, it was not a Black Rock.
It was just a rock covered in

654
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:48,840
those roaches.
And I screamed loud because I, I

655
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,240
don't know why I didn't see it
before.

656
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:53,560
My tush came close to it, but I
screamed, fuck.

657
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,480
I was like, I was just like,
whatever.

658
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,720
And one of the women who was
very British on, you know, my

659
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:01,640
group was like, Holly, what's
your language?

660
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,880
I was like, they don't know what
I'm saying.

661
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,440
And I almost was eaten alive by
the number of bugs right here.

662
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,520
I never hiked up a hill so fast
after that.

663
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,640
I was like, no.
It's OK.

664
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:19,120
Well, we call them as well like
cleaner of the sea, they cleaned

665
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,280
the surface of the rock and then
near the sea.

666
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:29,640
So they're not a bad, but they
are good one good boys.

667
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,920
I don't mind that they're good
or bad.

668
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,720
There was just so many.
The whole beach was covered.

669
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,520
And so I was like, I'm up here
having everyone else.

670
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,080
They were in a coffee shop.
They were all just like sipping

671
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,120
their coffee.
I was like, I am, I enjoy the

672
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:51,320
coffee shops there because each
one has a view or something, but

673
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,360
I'm not really one to sit and
just sip coffee.

674
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,760
But I, I ran into the coffee
shop after that.

675
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,880
I was like, I think I'm done
with that beach.

676
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,080
That was that was, that was my
ah moment.

677
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:09,440
I was like, no, no, people who
know me, they're like, that was

678
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,200
a very Holly reaction.
I was like, the beach moved.

679
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,520
I don't think you understand.
OK.

680
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,320
So is there anything that you
would love to introduce about

681
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,960
Jeju to someone who's like,
maybe just hearing about it for

682
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,040
the first time?
Like, what would you love to

683
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:30,040
introduce people to?
Because there is so much history

684
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,560
and culture there that's very
different than the rest of

685
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:39,200
Korea.
So like, first of all, people

686
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:45,000
come to Jeju because people call
Jeju like Hawaii of South Korea.

687
00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:49,280
And it is because it's volcanic
islands.

688
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,040
You're going to see like many,
many black rocks around the

689
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,320
coastal area.
And also it was that honeymoon

690
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:01,240
destination before.
So it is Hawaii of South Korea.

691
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,800
So the nature is really
beautiful at 1st.

692
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,640
And the other thing as you
mentioned, we have like

693
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:14,080
different culture and history.
It's very distinctive from the

694
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:19,880
mainland and those culture like
for example the woman diver or

695
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,800
we have 18,000 different garden
goddess.

696
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,640
And like many like ridiculous
lessons.

697
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:32,320
There's so many things to learn
because I am not from Jeju.

698
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:37,240
I moved here like 4-5 years ago
and I'm still learning their

699
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,400
culture.
Like still there's so many

700
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:45,200
things to discover.
So yeah, if you come to Jeju,

701
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,000
you will see like different
parts of South Korea.

702
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:50,800
Yeah, I really like that.
How long do you think you have

703
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,800
to live there to be considered a
local?

704
00:42:53,240 --> 00:43:00,120
It's almost impossible here.
The native, like Indigenous,

705
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:05,120
native community is very strong.
So if you're not from Jeju, it's

706
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:09,320
very difficult to be the part of
local.

707
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,520
Will they always keep you a
little bit out?

708
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,040
And they have their own
language.

709
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:24,760
I can understand now, but I can
speak the language and it's

710
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,480
really difficult.
I learned something more today.

711
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,920
I love that.
Yeah.

712
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,840
I think there's a lot now.
I might have to do some diving

713
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,680
about all of those gods and
goddesses.

714
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:40,120
I wonder if I could find some of
the things that I saw.

715
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,360
It's so hard to explain to
people.

716
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,640
And I don't, you know, I kind of
keep that to myself.

717
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,240
And when I go back in my hotel,
I usually journal like what I

718
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:50,120
think, what I was feeling or
whatever.

719
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,520
But though I'm telling you,
those woods on that little

720
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,920
island, I don't know, they were
magic for me.

721
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,760
It was just like, it's almost,
it was almost like I could hear

722
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,680
footsteps of like of, of people.
I would like spirit.

723
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,600
I don't know, however, word
would be right, but like a

724
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,760
little spirit in the in the
woods.

725
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:12,200
And I think Americans or British
people might call them fairies

726
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,600
or, you know, you just hear
this, you could hear a

727
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,480
skimpering.
And yes, it's it was like wet

728
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,760
and the leaves were wet.
And of course you could say

729
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,800
that, but it's just a magical
feeling.

730
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,800
So thank you for having patience
with me that day.

731
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,480
I appreciate you.
I know you were so fun like the

732
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,080
last night.
And you even let your husband

733
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:33,560
come.
I love that your husband comes

734
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,040
to pick you up at the end.
I was like, are you going to let

735
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,200
him meet the crazies?
That's impressive and of course

736
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,400
we should tell people you had to
bring your man there because

737
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,720
Jeju men are different.
Right, right.

738
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,960
We have talked about this,
right, right.

739
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,720
Women's are so strong, the
mainland band, they doesn't like

740
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,960
Jeju woman.
I mean most most of the band

741
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,400
they don't like strong woman,
right.

742
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,960
So same thing happened in South
Korea.

743
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,760
And then when we have strong
woman they usually have

744
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:13,360
different like lazy lazy.
Boy, that's what I meant.

745
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,720
Lazy.
Oh wait, I have one last

746
00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:17,520
question.
Because on that they'll give you

747
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,760
Tangerines.
She was never allowed on the

748
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,080
boat.
Is that still a superstition or

749
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,960
not?
Still, I don't think so.

750
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:34,400
I mean, I can be on the boat
because I pay for it, but those

751
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:39,200
kind of superstition.
We had a lot, a lot in the past.

752
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:46,720
But this year actually we have
the ritual for the new year.

753
00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:51,520
And then I was trying to go to
see the ritual and actually

754
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:57,120
woman are not allowed to get in.
So I was like really seriously.

755
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,240
And actually we had another
ritual for woman.

756
00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:07,200
So I was like, OK, I see.
But it was still we have

757
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,640
something like this.
I love that.

758
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,680
I would love a tour like that,
right?

759
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,080
All the things that they like to
keep secret.

760
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,000
So they probably wouldn't want
any, you know, foreigners there

761
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,720
at all.
But like that is that's

762
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:23,840
fascinating to me because for
me, the where the women were

763
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:28,840
going in to the ocean and cotton
and diving all those meters,

764
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,240
right?
And like surviving all of that.

765
00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:34,840
But I can't step on your boat.
Like what that man was like.

766
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,720
You have a boat with an engine
and sails.

767
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:40,720
And I mean, it's, it's very
dangerous.

768
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,360
Fishing can be very dangerous
too.

769
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,120
But still you had your women
under the water.

770
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:51,880
Just saying anyway, so thank
you, Soda for joining me.

771
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:56,400
I like ending each interview
with the same question, which is

772
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,440
if you came with a warning
label, what would it be?

773
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:05,960
So I was thinking about it and I
think my warning label would be

774
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:14,000
I go deep on the random things.
I love that answer because that

775
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,160
to me I interpret as you follow
your curiosity.

776
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:23,280
Right, right, right.
If it looks like fun, OK, let's

777
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,200
go for it.
Yeah, and like dive into it and

778
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,240
if not, next.
Yeah, another one.

779
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,680
Next, there's more.
So where can people come and

780
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,200
find you and connect with you?
Where do you want them to go?

781
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:43,920
So you can find me on Instagram,
Soraya dot Juju or I also have

782
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,680
English podcast about Juju
Island.

783
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:51,800
It's babosaju.com.
You can find it on Apple

784
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,720
podcast, Spotify and YouTube as
well.

785
00:47:55,040 --> 00:48:00,760
And actually we're building DIY
trip planner page and we're

786
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:05,040
gonna lunch on May soon.
So it'll be up and available.

787
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,240
Yeah, OK.
You're good.

788
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:10,400
That's exciting.
I'm excited for that for you.

789
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,800
That's a lot of.
Work right, Ed is doing all the

790
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,680
coding but.
Good.

791
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,840
Yes, yes.
So it's a trip planner that we

792
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:29,000
put all different activity what
you can do in Jeju and then you

793
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,520
can put in the slot.
So you can have like whole

794
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,280
itinerary for yourself and it's
all free.

795
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,680
So you can just try and then
have your own itinerary for the.

796
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:46,080
Wow, that is really amazing.
I like that.

797
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:50,000
I have to say, Like I part of
why I think makes you special.

798
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,920
If I, if I could share that is
that, well, you're funny and

799
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:59,320
you're smart and you don't talk
down to anyone like during the

800
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:04,840
tour and you treat us like
adults, but you still have a

801
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,240
love of a place and you're
sharing the love of a place,

802
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:13,520
which makes us more curious.
And we got to see your

803
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,360
personality too.
I'm saying you're professional,

804
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,440
but like, you know, you let your
guard down enough to like have a

805
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,760
joke or two or have a little
soju and a beer, which is my

806
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,240
favorite.
Just becoming a friends.

807
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,400
Yeah, yeah.
It felt, it felt that way Like

808
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,960
you have a friend who's showing
you around.

809
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,760
And so I want to thank you for
that.

810
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,920
And for anyone who's curious
about exploring, I would say

811
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,920
that is the way to go.
That's what I have to.

812
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,280
Say about soda.
And I just love saying her name.

813
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,200
You have to say it with me.
Everyone goes soda.

814
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:47,280
Yeah.
Soda.

815
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,160
Yeah.
So anyway, thank you everyone

816
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,200
for listening to this episode of
the Holly Hughes Podcast, and

817
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,600
we'll see you soon.