I Caught a Light: Francis Doom speaks on Creating Music, Being Proud to be Korean, and How to be Vulnerable When Making Art

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Welcome to the Holly Hughes
podcast.

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I am very happy to be speaking
with the Francis Doom.

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He's got the deep ethereal voice
that women go crazy for and he

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is an indie alternative rock
singer-songwriter.

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They're just like the all around
thing.

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Oh, and we'll also be touching
upon the book talk quotes for

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sure while we talk.
So welcome, Francis.

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Thanks for coming today.
Thanks for having me.

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See, it's the voice now.
So now, now I'm going to ask you

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to be like, hey, can you just
say welcome to the Holly Hughes

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podcast?
All right, welcome to I can't

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do.
That look here I'm.

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Too unserious.
So when did you know you were a

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musician?
Honestly, from an early age, I,

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I knew that I, I wanted to do
music and, you know, throughout

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my life my motivations might
have changed, you know, as a

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little.
Kids.

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I just thought it was just so
cool, like wow, like and and

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some of my earlier influences
you you might it's kind of

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funny.
Like the first group that I

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loved was like boys to men.
I just thought they were the

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coolest and they are the.
Coolest they are Yeah.

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For.
Sure.

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And.
I'm like, I have their

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soundtrack in my head now.
Yeah, You don't want to hear me

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sing.
That's the last thing anyone

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wants to hear because this is a
direct quote from my mother, who

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loves me so much.
And she really does.

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It's like, thank God You Can
Dance, Holly, because you sure

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Can't Sing.
But those are like the best

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people to do karaoke with
because it's just more fun when

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you.
Would like me and Nora Bong in

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Korea but I don't.
I'm not brave enough to do it

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here.
It's the worst one of these

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days.
But so, yeah, I mean, the the,

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the the desire to be cool.
I feel like that sort of drives

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a lot of young kids because like
no one's like 8 and like they're

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like, I want to master the
Craftsman, you know, like of

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like, like the craft of music,
you know, it's like now I want

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to be cool.
So, you know, early age was that

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and that got that drove me
through like, you know, teen

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years, like wanting to just
well.

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Be real, be like, be honest
there.

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I just wanted, I wanted that one
and I wanted that one and I want

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to be on stage and like look
over.

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I want to talk about that.
That whole presence of being on

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stage.
That's a huge part of being a

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musician.
But I also like want to know how

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many instruments you play and
which one did you start with

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then?
Also, like every good Asian boy,

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I started with piano kicking
screaming.

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Ironically, I hated it.
My parents made me and so they

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forced me to go take lessons and
when they finally let me quit, I

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feel like a couple years later I
like went back to the piano and

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I'm like, oh, I like this and so
and that.

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Honestly, piano is if anyone is
thinking about starting their

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kids on an instrument, I
recommend piano.

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It's just, you know, every note
is literally in order from left

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to right.
You can do chords with melody,

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unlike let's say for learning
flute, it's like kind of just

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melody or violin.
So you can have an entire

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orchestration at your fingertips
and you're learning, you know,

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you're you're learning
multitasking.

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And it's just, yeah.
So that, that was a really good

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introduction.
Yeah.

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I learned the organ.
I know I'm as a 70s kid.

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Oh, sexy, right?
Two hands, two different levels,

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foot pedals.
It was a lot it.

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Was the one downside is that you
can't exactly pull out an organ

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to impress?
The girls.

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At the beach, yeah, No.
It was in the basement.

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Come on.
I was like, oh thank God.

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Actually so cool though.
I'm like picturing you in a dark

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dingy.
Basement no, you have to imagine

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like the wood paneling and the
stucco cement on the steps on

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the way down and like I still my
left hand still nodes my cords

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CFD GC like I could still do it.
OK, we're gonna jam one of these

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days.
I don't.

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I don't have thing here.
Yeah, for me it was Oregon.

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So cool guitar, saxophone that
those are the three do.

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You know how to play those?
Not anymore, I can definitely

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play piano and read music, but
like very poorly now.

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Like it used to just come that I
really wanted to learn guitar,

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but my guitar teacher and in
hindsight I had really good

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instincts.
He would sit behind me.

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It was really creepy and he
would like, I could feel him

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breathe.
I was like, Nama, I don't I

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don't think I want to go there
again.

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Like that was weird.
And then I really wanted to

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learn to play saxophone like
quarter flash and like, who can

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it be?
Like just whatever the 80s

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saxophone.
There was a time when the

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saxophone was this shit, right?
Alto sax except for like 2-3

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factors for me personally, which
is why I love musicians in

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general.
Which is when you practice

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because so much practice has to
go into it.

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There's no muting A saxophone,
right?

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It's loud.
There's.

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No volume.
Knob no volume and the read like

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to get it the right wet right
whatever.

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I also didn't like that it
because I was like 1516.

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I was like my lip is going to
get hard.

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What are you talking about?
No, that's like a hard pass.

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And the ultimate reason was I
could not hit the note G Like I

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couldn't hit that unless I
rolled my eyes back.

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I was like, that is not cute.
I quit.

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Just couldn't find that GI.
Just couldn't.

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Don't you figure out there?
Nice, nice.

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Back to you.
OK, so so piano.

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Piano and then in my rebellious
like 13 year old 12, I, I found

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drums and that I just loved like
that was like, I think that was

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when I'm like, Oh, I'm going to
do this like I, I did.

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I, I practiced so much and no
one made me and I just put in my

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headphones And at the time it
was just like a bunch of like

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metal songs because I went from
R&B boys to men to metal.

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Which metal?
What is your metal?

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What was it?
Honestly back then it was

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anything I could find.
You know, it was pre streaming

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music so it was whatever CDI
could get my hand on.

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But honestly, at the time it was
like Metallica and and then I

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got until really, really into
like Deftones, still love

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Deftones.
Anything that screamed, anything

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that was angry, I was like cool,
like my bar was so low.

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And then so I played in bands
from sort of that point on as a

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drummer and then, you know,
found melody and chords with

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guitar.
And so and then I play a little

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bit of cello.
I always say I don't play

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anything great, but I play like
a couple things decent, which is

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actually really handy for a
songwriter because as a writer,

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you it's not even the need to
execute everything perfectly.

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You know, the, the, it's just
the need for an understanding of

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these different instruments so
that you can make these songs

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with all the different parts and
arrangements.

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Yeah.
So like, where did sliding Down

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the Hill start then?
Like if you're writing your own

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music, like, yeah, so.
I think that probably came from

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a chord progression, like on the
piano, just blah, blah, blah,

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blah, blah, that arpeggiating
thing.

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And and then probably, yeah.
So I mean, what would that

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usually?
It either starts on piano or

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guitar usually.
And I'll like recorded in Logic

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and then just start adding
instruments.

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And honestly, thank God for
technology.

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Thank God for recording software
because I'm not a Mozart.

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I'm not a or a modern day
reference would be like a Jake

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Jacob Collier or Brian Wilson
who can like just hear it in

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their head and be like, cool and
then like, right.

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And I, I don't even get how that
happens.

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I'm going to record it and then
toy with it, fuss with it, you

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know, and layer on top.
I I without modern technology, I

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would not be, you know, a
compose.

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I don't.
I couldn't be the composer that

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I am writing.
OK, so do you start with then

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you like a melody or a note or
an idea like where does it

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start?
Or is it like the poetry of the

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lyrics that started like all
songs are lyrical like that way

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to me so.
I mean, I always say there's no

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wrong answer, right?
Like if you ask me, I say melody

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is king.
I find the melody over chords,

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and then I try to make the best
words fit into that.

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But still, even if the best word
doesn't sound because different

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syllables, different vowels
sound differently in different

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moments, if that doesn't sound
good, I don't care.

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There's no hard rule.
Like sometimes.

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OK, so yeah.
But usually melody is king.

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But if you ask like someone like
a Bob Dylan.

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Hear about him I'm talking to?
You about I would say like but

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he would say like lyrics are
king, right, But yeah, me melody

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is king.
Try to find that perfect spot of

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like having the best lyrics fit
the best melody.

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And honestly, there's so many
songs that I love that I've

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heard a million times.
And if you ask me what the

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lyrics are, I might not be able
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I could tell you what syllables
like I feel like sound, I could

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sing along to it.
And syllabolically, that's not a

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word.
I love that word.

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It's a new word.
But it but sometimes I'm like, I

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realize like, oh, I've never
even thought about like what the

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words are.
OK, this is this is going to be

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my favorite question now.
So is there a song lyric that

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you've gotten really wrong that
you swore was really right?

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Like because you don't.
Hear.

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Right, like there are like
1,000,000 songs where that has

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happened.
I don't know.

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One that comes to mind is like,
I mean, Radiohead's like my

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favorite band.
And I remember being at a

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Radiohead concert and there was
this like this, this line that

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is such an important line
apparently.

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Because like, when this moment
came, this sort of like the he

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stopped singing and so the crowd
could sing it.

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And so I sung what I thought it
was.

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I don't really remember what,
Yeah, I don't remember what,

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what, what it was, but I
remember everyone saying it and

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me saying something completely
different with my fist in the

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ear, you know, because it's
like, and then just feeling so

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dumb because, because I clearly
got it so wrong.

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But yeah, that that happens all
the time.

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I love it.
OK, so how many concerts have

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you like?
Did you go to where you're like

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always going?
When you I used to go to a lot.

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It's it's kind of sad how how
not often I go to concerts now.

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It's like, it's such a shame,
like what I do and but I've

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gotten a little bit lazy.
But yeah.

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And honestly, right now it's
like, because back then I would

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just go to a show to go to a
show, right?

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Get out of the house and, you
know, there's just like a

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community when you're young of
like my friend's band is playing

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here and, you know, there's like
a scene.

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And as you get older, you're not
in the scene anymore.

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So you just go kind of you kind
of just go see the bands that

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you love and not the bands that
you like.

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Like, you know, which is
unfortunate because yeah, I mean

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those bands need.
Prices went up like it's like a

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whole thing now.
Like to go to the show?

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And I'm like, so I'm in
Charlotte and people don't come

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to Charlotte, they go to
Atlanta.

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Like on a good day, that's a 5
hour drive.

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Yeah, like you're killing me.
That's wrong.

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I don't know if I ever drive 5
hours to go to a show.

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Yeah, there.
Just saying.

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But soon, Oh no, I would totally
go play there.

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But you know.
Obviously, obviously.

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OK, so a bunch of instruments
like did you go to school for

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music?
Like was your family behind your

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music or are they like.
I'm actually quite illiterate

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when it comes to OK so how?
How do I equate?

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It's like knowing how to speak
without knowing how to read.

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I can't read music off of a
sheet, but I know music theory,

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you know, to play.
So once my parents kind of saw

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me getting really into music,
they got me, they saw me getting

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too into music to where it was
the only thing that mattered.

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And that's not good for Asian
parents that want doctors and

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lawyers.
So they would, my mom would sort

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of use it as an incentive like,
OK, I'll pay for drum lessons or

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guitar lessons if you get good
grades.

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And then I wouldn't get good
grades because I just was so bad

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in school.
So then they would stop.

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So I remember, yeah, my drum
lessons and guitar lesson like

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they stopped.
And so really just became, and

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there was like no YouTube back
then.

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So I started to learn it through
a bit by ear and a lot through

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like friends.
Like friends that played guitar,

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like them showing me what they
knew when I was like this

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exchange.
You learn a song and then you

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show your friend how to play it.
So is it like a tactile learning

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for you?
Like I'm really curious.

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I'm trying to figure out like
where music lives in you, right?

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Like when I like dance, right is
I still dance.

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It's like it just it's like
inside out.

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Like I just got to get it out.
I got to do it, but I have no

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ability to choreograph nor do I
want to.

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So I'm like really fascinated
between the juxtaposition of

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having music in you and needing
to get it out and like, how does

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it come out of your hands?
Like where does it start?

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And also like the difference
between in performing like your

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version of creep, right, which
is out in there.

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And I could tell how much you
like it.

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How did you learn if you're
learning from your friends?

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Like I can't learn from a
screen.

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Like if I was in student today,
I would not be very good because

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I just, I'm easily distracted by
this and it it's not 3D enough

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for me to touch.
So if you're learning music in a

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tactile way, because it's your,
you know, friend or someone near

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you, is the first thing that
makes sense like how the chord

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feels in your hand?
Or is it like a feeling that you

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want to connect with and so you
learn the music of the feeling?

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Did that make sense?
Yeah, I, I think so.

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And so when you're starting out
and you've not really learned

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the language yet, you and you're
just sort of imitating people

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that speak the words.
Again, this is my poor analogy

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of language and music.
It is very tactile because you

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don't know why that chord works
yet.

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So you're just doing the thing
and you're just like, OK, cool.

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So it's very yeah.
And then, but once you start to

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realize why notes, certain notes
work together and why certain

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notes don't, then it becomes a
bit more cerebral and, and you

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sort of get to learn the rules
of what to do and what not to

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do.
And then when you, and then when

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you get even more comfortable,
then you get to learn there are

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no rules.
And then you, you know, like

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once you, you have to learn the
rules to get to learn which ones

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you can break and which ones you
can't basically.

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So it becomes less time, less
sort of physical then and a bit

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more cerebral.
But because, again, lyrics are

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secondary.
So it's not like a song starts

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off with me being like, I need
to express this thing.

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It starts off like, I want to
hear this sound and I don't

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think I hear it right.
I can't find a song that like

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sounds like that.
So let me just try to make it.

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And then a lot of times I'll
make it and be like, oh, that's

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why it sucks.
OK, cool.

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So this like thing that works in
theory in my head, I, I, I, I,

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you know, you make it a thing
and then it's like, OK, that's

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why it doesn't exist.
I feel that.

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I feel, I feel like I've
experienced that same thing.

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I'm fascinated that you are in
search of sound like that's like

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nothing I've experienced or.
Yeah, well, like.

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That's amazing.
Again, when you're starting you,

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all you want to do is imitate
your heroes.

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So you're not making anything
new because you're, again,

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you're learning the language.
So you're I heard this thing

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where Hunter S Thompson would
word for word rewrite Moby Dick

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just and and and not adding
anything, but just to learn the

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rhythm of his favorite writers
that sort of choices.

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And then from there on out, you
sort of take what you like and

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you add it to your arsenal as a
writer.

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That's.
Fascinating.

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That sounds like punishment to.
Me, yeah, a little, a little

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bit, right.
Doesn't sound fun to me, but

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that's like really what doing a
cover is you're, you're learning

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the choices that this other
artist made and then adding what

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you like to your arsenal.
But.

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It's kind of fascinating.
I'll keep going back to create.

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We also did like Alanis
Morissette recently.

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So like I'm you have as a person
who isn't musical in a way that

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I would ever claim it, but loves
music, right?

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I always have it going on for
me.

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You have that right.
Like that's your sauce.

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You're like the, like you like
that.

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I don't say I don't know how to
like say that because I don't

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have a vocabulary of music,
which is part of why I want to

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have these conversations.
But like you have that.

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Interesting thing that I can't
quite read you like in a way

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that I was like, OK, so you have
this softness, but you play

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indie rock and there's like some
guttural thing that's dying to

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come out.
I just keep thinking I'm like,

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where's like, is it?
Are they gonna scream now?

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But that's when you like, bring
in more dynamics with your

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music, right?
So I'm.

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Yeah, I'm not much of A, you
know, it's weird when when I was

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a kid, I, I had a really good
scream.

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I don't know where it went or
what happened, or maybe puberty.

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Are you too happy?
Maybe maybe I was kind of happy

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then, but no, actually I wasn't
at all.

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And maybe that's what it is, But
even now I can't really scream

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and when I try, it doesn't
really sound great.

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But I I've always loved the
pairing of ethereal, whispery,

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soft vocals against I mean,
again, Deftones, right?

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He like it sounds like, I mean,
he does scream, right?

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And he has a killer scream.
But there are parts where it

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sounds like if you isolated the
vocals, it could be like an Enya

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song or something like and then
you.

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Oh my God, I haven't heard that
name in forever.

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That's amazing.
That's amazing, showing my age.

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But.
And, you know, you pair it

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against the proper
instrumentation and that

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dichotomy creates something
special.

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And so while I love music that
sort of hits, yeah, I don't

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think I think I'll let the bass
or the drums sort of be that

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thing and and and let the voice
be a little bit softer, but.

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It just dipped.
You're like, oh, I.

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Don't know it's it's my morning
voice even though it's sad.

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Excellent.
That's excellent.

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I'm like, I think I'm like
wondering because you brought up

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being Asian and I am not for
anyone who's just listening and

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can't figure that out.
I think I'm like curious

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culturally, do you think
anything from your house or your

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culture or like what you were
surrounded by also influences

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your choices or how you want to
make music?

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Or do you have to just prove it
wrong?

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Be like no I wasn't a lawyer but
damn bitch boom I make I'm doing

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good.
Well, I'll say this when I was

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young, probably a lot of Asian
Americans can relate to this.

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I wanted to push away my sorry,
I want to push away my

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Koreanness as much as I can.
I wanted to be just like my

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American friends that have, you
know, pizza and, and burgers for

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dinner instead of weird Korean
food.

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And, you know, I wanted to just
be as American as I can.

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And when as I get older, I I
realized the amazing things

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about my ethnicity, that Korean
food, it fucking rolls so good.

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I cook.
It so I'm there I'm.

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There and Korean cinema.
Great.

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You know, that there's things
about my sort of roots that I'm

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embracing now in my later years.
So for example, Francis Doom.

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My my.
OK, so my American name is

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Francisco, but I've always hated
it for some reason.

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I don't know why.
Maybe because like, well, you

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know, kids would call you like
Francis or, you know, like like

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a dig.
And then so I always went by

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Jay, cuz that's oddly enough
that's my Korean name.

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Anyway, so my whole life I went
by Jay.

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And then with this new project,
I'm like embracing all the

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things that I didn't like about,
you know, so Francis, like the

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sort of the dig that I sort of
ran away from.

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It's like part of the reason why
this project is called that.

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But but yeah, all these things
about my past that I always sort

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of ran away from, I'm sort of
embracing now.

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I don't even know how we got
here.

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It's good.
I like that.

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I told you, I told you I don't.
We don't have to be linear.

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That's the best part, too.
Artistic because my brain does

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not work linearly.
It's all good.

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It's all good.
No, I was just curious because I

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hear a lot of people, I guess
for me nowadays, everyone's

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sticking a label on something,
right?

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You're this, you're that, you're
this.

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And I think all the labels
divide where I grew up.

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I felt very other as well, like
I just felt other.

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I didn't see the world the way
literally other people did.

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I didn't experience.
I just didn't know why my purple

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shoes bothered people.
I just was like, this is who I

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am.
I'm still that way.

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If you don't like me, leave me
the fuck alone.

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Like if you do like me, sweet.
Otherwise you're like, we could.

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You don't have to like me.
Just don't be mean.

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Like that's my thing.
So for me, when I ended up being

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in LA and living there for 18
years, I was so surrounded by

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other people who were just as
curious about the world, right?

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So I'm just listening to people
tell so many stories about how

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they felt other and it could be
ethnicity or race or religion.

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And I think nowadays we're
putting all of that out there so

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much.
So I don't know how to like ease

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it.
And I don't know how people can

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get into like loving and
accepting.

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Do you think it was just the
time?

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Do you think it was because your
household was different?

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Like I'm just kind of curious,
like how I might be damaging my

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own teenager because she's got a
weird mother and I have so many

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influences around me because I'm
just curious.

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Like, do you think you would
have the same feeling of being

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embarrassed by your Korean
American heritage if you were

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growing up now?
Oh, good question.

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Sorry, now I see.
I'll get, I'll get your

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language.
We'll get this synced.

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In Hold on, let me take a big
chunk of coffee, yeah.

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Yeah, drink your coffee.
I have a sip of water.

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That is a great question.
And I actually, I'm, I'm smiling

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right now thinking about it
because, because Korean food is

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sort of mainstream now.
So it's, I remember bringing it

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to lunch and Kate's being like,
that smells weird, but.

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Like what would you be like?
What would you bring?

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Being like, what would you
bring?

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Yeah, like whatever my, you
know.

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Whatever she.
Leftovers from Yeah and it's

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kind of a happy thought that a
kid might bring it to school now

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and kids would be like whoa like
you know I guess saw that on

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like Anthony Bourdain like so I
hope that's the case that that

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that that's a really beautiful
thing actually.

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I mean, especially with for all
the downsides of the Internet,

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right, one of the few upsides is
everyone can find their people

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that for all the weirdos, you
can find your community of

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weirdos that are weird, weird in
similar ways as you, you know,

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because everyone's weird, but
weird in similar ways as you.

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And K pop is like big now.
So maybe maybe kids aren't as

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ashamed to be courteous as I
was.

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I don't know like.
Like, just like, were your

447
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,960
parents like, like are you first
generation?

448
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,600
Yeah, first generation.
OK.

449
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,600
Yeah, my mom was literally
pregnant with me when she came

450
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,440
here, and I was I was born here,
so I just made it.

451
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,760
Yeah, let's not go there.
You knew, you read my brain.

452
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:02,640
I'm psychic.
I'm.

453
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,440
Psychic is my face that
transparent that.

454
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,960
Yes, you are.
To me, you're quite.

455
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,800
You're like if you are a very
fascinating mix of person in

456
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:17,320
that you are transparent and
guarded, Ish Gray and like.

457
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:23,840
Yeah, like, like I feel like the
inner thoughts debating and

458
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,600
judging what might come out, I'm
like just just likely you.

459
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,560
Know my God, you are so good at
reading people because that's.

460
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,680
Literally clairvoyant like so
like, that's what I do.

461
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,920
But no, seriously.
So like I was like.

462
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,880
I am, I tell people that because
I could just go there.

463
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,880
If you can handle it like we
can, we can go there.

464
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,960
But that is also fascinating
because again, we are strangers,

465
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,600
right?
And so I usually ask permission.

466
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,240
Can I read you some?
And then if you say yes, then

467
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,880
I'll get more.
I really try to not be like

468
00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:00,960
invasive that way because I can
know things about you that maybe

469
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,680
you don't want me to know about
you.

470
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,200
So I try to keep a really good
boundary.

471
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,280
I had this strange person,
literally strange, come up to me

472
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,880
at an event I was at.
And I could tell that they were

473
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,160
also like intuitive and
whatever.

474
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,640
And I could feel like her energy
coming at me.

475
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,040
So it felt like, it felt like
hooks coming at me.

476
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,120
I was like, whoa.
I looked at her.

477
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:22,840
I go, yeah, no, I didn't give
you permission.

478
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,280
She's like, you can feel that.
I was like, yeah, no, like a big

479
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,600
NO.
But I'm going to get to a really

480
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,920
simple question.
As a musician, you are sharing

481
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,840
yourself physically and
emotionally with strangers all

482
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,520
the time.
How much do you give and how

483
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:49,520
much do you keep for yourself?
When it comes to like the

484
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:55,600
writing, I try to give
everything because who wants to

485
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,880
hear a song about how cool you
are, right?

486
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,720
Like, it it.
It should be embarrassing and it

487
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,400
should be vulnerable, right?
Because what is art if not that?

488
00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:09,960
But then when it comes to
marketing, admittedly, I I do

489
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,080
definitely just try to be cool,
like just try to come off cool

490
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,720
and like, I hope you like me.
I hope you like this song.

491
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:18,520
You know what I mean?
Like.

492
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,280
That is not how you you come
out.

493
00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:21,880
Like I have all these like
little notes.

494
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,160
Wait, all my awesome post.
Its I told you about.

495
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,720
I was like, I was thinking about
this a lot before, like we

496
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,320
started talking about like sex
appeal, right.

497
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,640
Like so there's Trappy.
You've got the voice you have

498
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,760
you're awesome followers who
like beg you to say things.

499
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:44,240
Yeah, which they're very funny.
I think I found you originally

500
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,400
from Book Talk.
Oh wow, interesting.

501
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:50,480
So like I heard you reading
things.

502
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,760
I was like, this is too much.
And then I would read the

503
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,840
comments and I would be like, I
stamp my foot when I laugh

504
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,800
really hard.
I would just be like, ladies

505
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,280
easy.
And then I was like, I guess

506
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:06,160
anonymity.
I, I don't whatever it is that

507
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,160
they have or that they're doing,
I don't do.

508
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,960
It doesn't mean that clearly
you're we don't have those

509
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:17,120
parts, but you are marketing
your sexuality in one way or

510
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:18,360
other.
What's that feel like?

511
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,240
Well, see.
Your face.

512
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:24,920
I wish I.
Had a.

513
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:26,480
Mirror.
Oh wait, you'll see the video

514
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,080
OK.
So I don't actually look at it

515
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:33,600
as marketing my sexuality.
I may be using sexuality to

516
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:39,680
market the music, but you know,
all of it is to market the

517
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,320
music, which is why I always
stick the song at the end, you

518
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,040
know.
But yeah, that that's an

519
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,960
interesting one because, well,
first of all, sexuality is a

520
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,520
part of me.
I am, you know, not that I'm

521
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,640
depraved, but you know, it's
semi DNA.

522
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,160
It's it's a part of who I am.
You're.

523
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,240
A grown person, Yeah.
Good.

524
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,400
You know, sexuality is fun too.
So I'm showing these bits of who

525
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,520
I am that's gonna fall into it,
along with my weird sense of

526
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:15,000
humor, along with my emo
sincerity along with all of it.

527
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,800
Yeah, so there's that.
The thing about the book talk

528
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,600
stuff that is kind of weird is
that I just like when people

529
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,560
request covers, I'm like, oh, I
love that song.

530
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,880
I get it.
I get why you want that.

531
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,840
It's a beautiful song.
With the book talk stuff, I'm

532
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,560
like, I don't really get it, but
it helps the music.

533
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,440
So OK, like, I mean, like as far
as my voice, I'm like, I don't

534
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,200
get like there's dudes on here
on on TikTok with like the

535
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,160
British accents and like, oh, I
get that.

536
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,120
That dude kills it.
Like he, you know, he nailed it.

537
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,920
So there, there's that.
But then there's also like, I

538
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,880
also don't like let it get to my
head because my voice, it's like

539
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,360
it's pairing with an image that
they have in their head of this

540
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,800
character that I am not from
this book that did things that I

541
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:03,600
did not to.
Oh.

542
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,240
I think you're wrong.
What?

543
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,320
It is a pairing of if you want
to know, wait, I have to do your

544
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,680
80 age brain.
I have to go slower.

545
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,640
Yeah, Yeah.
Your brain is so fascinating.

546
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,480
Like right now, it's like
Tetris, like moving cubes

547
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:17,720
around.
It's fascinating.

548
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,640
It's like they have an image of
you that you share, right?

549
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,560
So they have this and we'll do
your emo, right?

550
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,920
You've got like the Moody
backlit Mike lean forward, hair

551
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,680
coming.
Like it's the whole fantasy,

552
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,600
right?
Like you have like a significant

553
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,480
fantasy that you're giving and
you have a great voice, right?

554
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,000
I don't want you to think I'm
just making fun.

555
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,240
I I'm very sarcastic, so just.
No, me too.

556
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,280
Me too.
Please.

557
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,120
Deprecation is like my own
language.

558
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,320
So then you have like that you
have that fantasy along with

559
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,760
whatever that line is that they
also have it.

560
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,320
They're just, you're just,
you're like the double fantasy

561
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:01,720
for like that whole thing.
And if if I had that ability and

562
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,160
could keep a straight face, I
would be there like I'd be like,

563
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,680
yeah, let's let's totally do
that.

564
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,360
But I would.
That's why the videos are so

565
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,800
short, because I can't keep a
straight face.

566
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,200
No, Andy, my producer knows how
I feel about listening back to

567
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,640
like these podcasts is brutal
for me.

568
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,920
No, I know it's like watching
your sex tape.

569
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,600
It's like like why do I look
like that?

570
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,160
Why did I do that thing with my
anyways?

571
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,720
But.
See, now you're just adding fuel

572
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,760
to those women inspires.
They're like, wait, they're like

573
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,360
they're going through.
They're like he has a tape

574
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:36,280
somewhere.
There was before Francis doom, I

575
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,000
was in the previous band and I
very much pushed away social

576
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,880
media and like AI guess if I'm
too cool or something.

577
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,360
I don't know, too shy, too
afraid.

578
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,160
And with this new project, I
told myself I'm going to do

579
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,160
everything to try to make this
work.

580
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,640
Everything that's with within
who I am.

581
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,920
I mean, you know, I'm not going
to start an only fans, but, you

582
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,640
know, embrace social media.
And so I made a TikTok for the

583
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:08,960
first time and and and then this
book talk thing and turns out

584
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,240
it's a good conduit for people
to check out my music.

585
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,520
I honestly, if it wasn't all for
like if the end game wasn't for

586
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,280
people to find my music, I just
wouldn't do it.

587
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:25,000
But so, yeah, so I'm just, you
know, embracing all the all the

588
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,600
things.
I, I know plenty of, I know a

589
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,320
lot of authors, but I was like,
oh, so I think I've sent them a

590
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,440
few of them here.
I was like, for your book here,

591
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:34,720
maybe.
What do you think?

592
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,080
Because I, I love doing that.
That's just like so fun.

593
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,800
Well, that's, I mean, this led
me to this whole thing led me to

594
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,160
doing voice over like narration
for and that's a separate thing

595
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,600
that's just to pay the bills
and, you know, separate from the

596
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,400
music.
But but yeah, it's fun.

597
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,400
Yeah, like work it, you have
like you have the tool, you

598
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,560
might as well really like
explore and go to town with it.

599
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,400
Like I love that.
I love that.

600
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,080
I hope by by the tool you're
talking about not just stop.

601
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:05,840
We're gonna have to air this one
at night.

602
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,480
There'll have to be a rating on
this one.

603
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,600
I haven't joked like this with
other people.

604
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,800
It's so funny, but it's like.
It's a safe space.

605
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,720
It's just, it's just my sense of
humor.

606
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,000
I am really particular, which is
probably why my social media

607
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,760
isn't very big yet.
I'm really guarded about like my

608
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,960
privacy.
And I think it's because I did

609
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,400
write that essay about getting
thrown on a table and dry humped

610
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,640
in front of a crew, a film crew,
and it went viral because it was

611
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,480
published before I knew it was
going out.

612
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,640
And it was only when there was
Twitter.

613
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,440
So there wasn't really it's like
Facebook and Twitter.

614
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,280
So there was no, it was a long
time ago, all the rest of it.

615
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,360
And I had thousands of messages
from people telling me they were

616
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,200
typos.
I was like, really, bitch, this

617
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,240
is like what you're telling me?
But it was a lot of attention.

618
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,840
And then it got tension
attention in LA and the

619
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,160
Directors Guild had a meeting.
They had a meeting like they

620
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,600
called in all their members and
I had friends there and they

621
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:04,400
were telling me it was about me.
They weren't using my name, but

622
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:12,080
people like would not stand up
for me or verify it for fear of

623
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:17,679
not working right.
So I'm really protective of who

624
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:20,280
knows this part of me.
Like, are you going to twist

625
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,000
that?
Like what's going to come back?

626
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,760
I I think like the safety of
that is still unknown.

627
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,040
I'm kind of Gary.
Nah, it's crazy.

628
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,679
Yeah, wait.
So OK, I'm going to do some

629
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:35,360
digging after this.
Yeah, OK.

630
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:38,880
But this is about you.
Anyway, OK.

631
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,719
OK, so you wrote a song about
your dog.

632
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,080
Was that really about your dog?
Yeah, it was.

633
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,159
No.
Where is the dog?

634
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:48,320
How can we stop in the
background?

635
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,040
You know, she's out there.
She's being very lazy.

636
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,080
That's a good morning.
Yeah, she's, she used to have so

637
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,040
much more energy.
Yeah, she's getting older and

638
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,000
it's making me sad.
But actually, that's what the

639
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,280
song was about.
It's, you know, I don't write

640
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,320
many love songs because I just
think, well, you know, there's

641
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,600
just a lot of them in the world
and maybe that's the last thing

642
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,560
we need is another love song,
although maybe not, but is

643
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,200
there?
A song like about a love song

644
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,720
from the 70s.
And that's how it's.

645
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,240
You need to do that one.
Yeah, yeah.

646
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,920
But you know, I the song's about
I do this thing with with Layla

647
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,920
and my dog where because I think
about I'm so fucked.

648
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,480
This is, I think about our last
moments a lot like what it's

649
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,520
going to be like because, you
know, the dog's lifespan is so

650
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,040
short and so.
My dog just died 2 weeks ago.

651
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:44,200
So sorry.
I know.

652
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,320
Thank you.
Animal.

653
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:47,960
Animal deaths.
Like don't even.

654
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,160
Harder than human deaths, I
swear.

655
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:55,280
But, you know, I think about her
on this cold metal table at the

656
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,960
vet's office and not knowing
what's going on and me not being

657
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,600
able to convey what I want to
convey because we don't speak

658
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,920
the same language, right?
And so I always do this thing

659
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,600
now and I've done it for years
where I, you know, hold her head

660
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,240
like I do when I put my forehead
against hers.

661
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,640
And I just repeat, I love you.
I love you.

662
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,920
I love you.
And not because like the words

663
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,760
themselves mean anything on an
English language, like, you

664
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:28,320
know, but I just, I want, I want
to build that association so

665
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,200
that in those final moments when
I do that, she will know one

666
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,000
that I'm here and, and that
she's.

667
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,280
Yeah, vibration though, like
literally your voice is right

668
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,440
because you've got that that we
keep talking about.

669
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:48,080
Like you have that tone that
that's exactly what I did with

670
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,280
my dog.
I just held him.

671
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:50,920
I was like, I love you, I love
you, I love you.

672
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,240
See, now I'm going to get.
I'm sorry and and I try not to

673
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:58,480
say it when I leave like cuz
sometimes it it comes out and

674
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,480
I'm like, I got to catch myself
cuz it's like I don't I don't

675
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,280
want her to associate.
I love you with I'm leaving now.

676
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,920
Bye.
So I I I just missed a?

677
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,360
Lot of thought.
I know so so sometimes I say it

678
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,800
like just cuz I do love her and
then I realized I've said it.

679
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,280
I have to hang around for like
another like minute and 1/2, you

680
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,200
know, just like oh shit, I said
OK.

681
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,240
Like I sort of like, wait, I, I
don't know about your personal

682
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:23,360
life because I'm not a stalker,
but I was like, so now like the

683
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,040
all I'm thinking is you can say
I love you as you leave.

684
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,280
I like, it's the perfect thing.
Like no baby, you said I love

685
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:29,160
you.
I get 5 more minutes.

686
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:29,720
Yeah.
Yeah.

687
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,520
So that that's why the song is
called Little Words, because

688
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,560
it's, you know, the, you know
these words, it's like they're

689
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,000
like small little boxes and
you're trying to pack so much

690
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,760
meaning into them.
Like I think like in my world,

691
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:49,200
how I experience it is like, so
sound like we all know has

692
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,360
wavelength so it has energy, so
it comes and moves anyway even

693
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,120
if someone doesn't understand it
as does.

694
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,800
Like when you don't make fun, I
can't drum.

695
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,360
Like when you're drumming.
You're doing it.

696
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,400
That's.
Or like, I love that song.

697
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,720
Go on.
It's the best one.

698
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,480
My 8 age opinion is like I just
went to a whole other story.

699
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:10,280
I was like you are giving all
that moment.

700
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,440
I would not worry.
I'm telling you like that the

701
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,400
dog gets it and don't worry
about saying I love you and not

702
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,240
they don't.
They're not that deep after a

703
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:20,720
while even though we want them
to be.

704
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,720
But I want to know.
Also another lyric is you like

705
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:26,680
you look like hell but you wear
it well.

706
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:29,920
So is that you or someone else?
So that is or.

707
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,920
Is that not your lyric?
But it was your music, because

708
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,680
you're the music guy.
Well, I mean, it's all, it's all

709
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:40,280
my lyrics, but it's, you know,
so OK, going back to love songs

710
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,280
that have been written millions
of times.

711
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:45,720
I want to write a love song
about, you know, there's plenty

712
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:49,520
of songs and movies about young
love, young exciting love.

713
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,800
And then and then they finally
get together and then and

714
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,880
credits, right.
But what about the love that

715
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:02,600
remains 30 years later, like
old, weathered, sustaining love,

716
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,840
Right.
And that's the sort of love I

717
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,760
want to write about.
So that's the songs about this

718
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:13,360
couple that are like later in
life and they're sort of out on

719
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,080
the town, like trying to feel
young again, realizing that it's

720
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,200
just not them and the silliness
of it all.

721
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,000
And.
And then, you know, they get

722
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,280
home and they send the
babysitter home and, you know,

723
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,760
and then they're people just
trashed and, you know, exhausted

724
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:34,400
and but but yeah, but you know,
that's sort of like you look

725
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,400
like hell.
Like I I pictured like, you

726
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:42,040
know, my wife with our future
child one day and just baby

727
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,320
vomit just like here and her
hair like this.

728
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:50,000
And but just saying you look
like hell, but it's just

729
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,720
beautiful because it's it's just
a beautiful, you know, it's such

730
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:57,960
a beautiful thing that that's
sort of what all that indicates,

731
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,200
you know?
I mean, I'm there for I'm 22

732
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,480
years, so same relationship.
I'm like, that's crazy.

733
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:05,840
Really.
Yeah.

734
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,920
Yeah, 20 years married.
We were married in LA for 7:00,

735
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,920
so we count those in dog years.
So that's 49 plus.

736
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,240
Like that's our joke because the
minute he got a ring, women hit

737
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:19,120
on him more.
Ah, I'm like, we're out to

738
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,120
dinner.
I'm right here like.

739
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,640
Maybe people are getting Polly
vibes, you know, I mean.

740
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,600
I'm, yeah, I'm.
I'm way too jealous of a person

741
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,400
for that.
I could never Polly.

742
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:36,720
I could not Polly in real life.
I am so ridiculously faithful

743
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:40,520
that this is so funny.
I had a dream about Jason Momoa

744
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:45,840
because Jason Momoa and he like
went to hug me and I was like,

745
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,960
dude, I'm married.
I woke up.

746
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,560
I was like.
You wouldn't even in your dream.

747
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,600
Come on, live a little, just in
your dream.

748
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,480
I know, I mean I have a really
good imagination, but asleep I

749
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,800
was like, I woke up.
I was like what is fucking

750
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,480
wrong?
Listen, next time you dream

751
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,560
about Jason Momoa, I want you to
tell yourself this is the one

752
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:06,600
time I can do.
This.

753
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,680
I have permission.
I'm sure my husband would give

754
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,400
me, but he was like, whatever.
Yeah, it's Jason Momoa.

755
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,440
I can't.
Hello.

756
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,440
It's so funny.
He's like, whatever.

757
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:18,600
You don't need to know it
anyway.

758
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,480
OK, So I'm going to give you one
piece of advice that I want you

759
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,440
to remember whenever you have
children.

760
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,400
If you have children reading,
it's the best thing you could

761
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,160
do.
If you want to still be romantic

762
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:36,560
with your wife when there's an
infant in the house, wash the

763
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,240
bottles.
Wash the bottles.

764
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:41,400
Wash bottles.
Washing bottles is foreplay.

765
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,400
What?
Yeah.

766
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:45,560
Interesting.
And do a little laundry.

767
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,600
Yeah, like do I have?
Because wash them in a

768
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,880
suggestive sort of.
Manner you just have to wash

769
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,240
them.
I don't think this is

770
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:56,440
suggestive, but like, I don't
know who you're married to it.

771
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,000
I mean, like, again, that's
your, that's your own whatever I

772
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,360
think.
Picture like.

773
00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:04,560
It's just because you're a
napkin like when the baby is

774
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,120
young, right?
You have like the vomit doesn't

775
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,960
go nicely on your shoulder.
What happens is you're up for

776
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,440
hours on end and you finally get
to make a cup of coffee.

777
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,400
You put the baby in a little
bouncy chair and you put your

778
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,240
coffee down and pour the Creamer
and the baby will projectile

779
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:22,880
vomit into the Creamer and.
And.

780
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,360
Then you're just like, that is
not the Creamer I wanted.

781
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,960
These are not the droids you
were looking for.

782
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,760
I was like, no.
So if you do the little things

783
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,280
that will never not be there,
then you give her time to

784
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,680
breathe, and then you give her
time to remember who she was

785
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,160
when she wasn't mommy.
Because it's such a big identity

786
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,160
shift.
Yeah, actually that is valuable

787
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,960
information.
The best and the only other

788
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,160
advice is never listen to anyone
else's advice.

789
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,760
It's your house and your family.
But but washing bottles is

790
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,480
universal.
Let me tell you.

791
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,040
Let me tell you that one.
Interesting.

792
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,640
I'm going to get back to you on
that one.

793
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:03,640
OK, I will be following you.
Oh, I put a song in to

794
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,480
recommend.
I was like Chris Isaak.

795
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,240
I think I put.
Wicked game.

796
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,120
You know, I actually did a
little snippet of it.

797
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:10,960
Did you?
Yeah.

798
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,200
You just go back a couple videos
and then you'll see it.

799
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,680
You'll see it.
I don't, I, I, I, I try not to

800
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,440
do I have to be very selective
of what I do full covers of and

801
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,680
release on Spotify because I
don't want my Spotify to just

802
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,080
become like just covers and
people think I'm just a cover

803
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,240
artist, but.
So do you always play with the

804
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:30,320
same guys?
It's like, what's the name of

805
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,040
your band now?
Well, so.

806
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,120
It's Skullboy.
You're always wearing that

807
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:35,240
T-shirt.
That's like you're saying.

808
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,200
No, it's because I own 3T
shirts.

809
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:41,960
I'm a minimalist.
This is a pizza place I got.

810
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:50,640
It's Schoolboy's Pizza Shack,
and because I'm a bum, so it's a

811
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,960
pizza place and yeah, and the
pizza was pretty good.

812
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,440
So yeah, maybe I'm endorsing
School Boys.

813
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:57,160
I forget where it.
Is.

814
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:03,120
Yeah, so I have the live band
and then, but conveniently when

815
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:08,280
I record, I just do everything
myself and actually base I have.

816
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,680
So when I record at my my
bassist, I use his spot and he's

817
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,720
a good engineer, so he engineers
for me and then and then he'll

818
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:18,760
play bass because he's a really
good bassist.

819
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,720
So but everything else it's just
me and him.

820
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,960
And then live, I have a drummer
and a keyboardist, so we could

821
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,920
execute these songs live.
So you touring people are going

822
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:34,160
to want to now detour.
Hopefully soon you know the the

823
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,880
idea is just to get to a did.
You say the name of your band.

824
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,360
I don't think I even heard it.
Well, it's just Francis Doom,

825
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,040
OK?
Yeah, I didn't know it was like

826
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,560
your name or yeah.
Francis Doom and the Schoolboys.

827
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,000
You know, that's if that
happens, I'm just saying I get

828
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:49,520
credit.
Yeah.

829
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,800
Thanks, Holly.
Yeah, you get a cut.

830
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,320
Pizza place gets a cut.
Now I'm hungry.

831
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,680
But yeah, I know if it gets to a
point where because it's funny,

832
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,120
man, I used to hit the road when
my previous bands like lose

833
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,280
money, play to like 5 people in
the venue and just because it's

834
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:06,640
like, how else do you get your
name out?

835
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:11,240
But now with social media, make
a video, literally it's going to

836
00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:15,040
be seen by like, you know, a
couple 100 at least.

837
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,600
So it just has to make sense for
me to tour to where I'm not

838
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,120
going to lose money going out
there.

839
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:24,640
I think what I think a lot of
people don't know that about

840
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,040
artists in general.
Like, so when you, let's just

841
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:32,040
say you're on a tour, it's you
driving, right, Right now, it's

842
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,400
you getting your equipment,
doing your sound checks.

843
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,960
It's so much more goes into a
performance, right?

844
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,960
Like how many hours of work do
you think goes into a

845
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,120
performance?
Well, I mean, it's not even the

846
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,080
performance, it's just a getting
there.

847
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:52,200
It's the gas, the rentals, the,
you know, the lodging and the

848
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,640
performance is such a small It's
funny because that's the thing,

849
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:56,480
right?
That's what you're going out

850
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,040
there to do.
But it's such a small factor

851
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,400
when when it comes to touring.
Just saw the logistics of it,

852
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,160
but sorry, I have to burp.
You're going to mute thing.

853
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,440
Can you meet this?
No, he'll do it.

854
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:09,600
OK.
There maybe one no?

855
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,400
It was nothing that was.
You didn't even have to mention

856
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,520
that.
What's the most outrageous thing

857
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,560
you've ever seen from stage
looking out?

858
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:26,200
Oh, you know, there was this,
there was this, I remember there

859
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:30,200
was this guy, not outrageous,
like even in a funny way, but he

860
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,920
was like, there was just like
this guy, like trying to talk to

861
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,080
this girl, right?
And it was like in a sort of

862
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,680
like romantic part of the song.
And he's like trying to get her

863
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,800
to like slow dance with her.
And I remember being like my

864
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,360
naive brain being like, oh,
that's kind of cute because I

865
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,640
thought they like, we're
together, you know what I mean?

866
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,600
And then as I'm, as I'm, the
song's progressing and I'm

867
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,080
seeing them and I'm realizing,
oh, she doesn't know him and she

868
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,640
doesn't like this.
And like, I almost like stopped

869
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,800
the song and just like called
the dude out.

870
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,200
But then I like, thought, like,
and literally this is all

871
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,920
happening while like, words are
coming, like singing is

872
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,680
happening.
And I'm like, but then like, am

873
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,880
I putting her on the spot?
Like, OK, let me just see how

874
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,520
this resolves naturally.
So what?

875
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,000
And then by the end of the song,
he fucked off.

876
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,120
But but yeah, luckily we're not
the type of brain band where we

877
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,520
see crazy things.
Like there's not like bras being

878
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:27,400
thrown up at me or crazy mosh
pits, you know, they're more

879
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,960
like mush pits.
I always say they're nice and

880
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,480
just.
Like, are people like this?

881
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,200
And you know, like your music
was like this.

882
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,840
Yeah.
I think it's scientists.

883
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,480
No, let's just like, what is
that?

884
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,280
This is like my Stevie Wonder.
Just.

885
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,360
Like this?
I don't know, Do we?

886
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:44,440
I'm looking at my hands over
there.

887
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,680
That's poison.
Yeah.

888
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,320
Yeah, yeah, they're a.
Little more mellow.

889
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,680
Yeah, yeah.
So yeah, we're not.

890
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,880
And that's, that's why like,
it's very important that we

891
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:02,040
rehearse and sound good because
we can't rely on stage antics

892
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,240
and energy.
Like it's just we just play and

893
00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:08,360
that has to be enough.
Because I'm not doing backflips.

894
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,840
I'm sorry, I'm not Benson
booting all over this.

895
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,920
Stage presence.
So are then You're the lead

896
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:13,920
singer.
It's your name.

897
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,080
Yeah, yeah.
I, I, it's just me on guitar I

898
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:21,120
sing and then keyboardist,
bassist, drummer.

899
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,960
And yeah, it's it's sort of a a
minimal setup.

900
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,200
So what do you listen to to get
amped?

901
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,240
Are you do you get amped before
you go?

902
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:34,800
Like do you have nerd?
If you have ADHD, I know you're

903
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,520
you must be a procrastinator,
right?

904
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,840
So I'm like.
Refining my method, because in

905
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,720
my previous projects I would
sing actually like you, you

906
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:45,480
wouldn't recognize my voice.
I sing really high a lot of like

907
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,800
falsettos and really just
because it was like, I don't

908
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,160
know, like my emo roots maybe
just like singing at the top of

909
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,640
my register.
And so in those cases, I would

910
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,040
definitely like try to get amped
up.

911
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,680
And now I'm realizing that it's
hard to sing a low when you're

912
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:01,240
not relaxed.
And so I would get amped up and

913
00:49:01,240 --> 00:49:05,000
then like come out and be like,
like, so I have to sort of stay

914
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:10,120
relaxed to some extent.
And, and I see like like Billie

915
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,880
Eilish performances and I'm so
impressed by her ability to be

916
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:18,520
like jumping around and then
whispering like she her vocal

917
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,520
control is like.
She's an insane talent.

918
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,280
She's insane.
She's like my favorite like pop

919
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,560
artist.
I saw Olivia Rodrigo.

920
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:29,560
Yeah, she's dope.
She's dope.

921
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,600
She put on a huge.
I was like, I don't know, her

922
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,080
show is insane.
I was like, Oh my God.

923
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:39,440
And then Chapel Rhone opened for
her, so I got to see her before

924
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,120
she totally.
It was fascinating.

925
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,880
Yeah, I'm, I'm definitely, you
know, a lot of indie artists

926
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,120
would sort of stick their nose
up at pomp.

927
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,000
But I like pop.
Pop is dope.

928
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,240
And everything I'm like, I'm
just kind of eclectic.

929
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,200
OK, so what's your like?
What success do you want now?

930
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,120
Like what's your like?
I don't know.

931
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,120
I don't know.
We won five years.

932
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:06,800
I don't really care.
Like I'm just like, what are you

933
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:07,600
hungry for?
That's.

934
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:12,920
What I want to know my dream is
to be famous enough to pay the

935
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:18,320
bills with with just my craft,
but never famous enough to where

936
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:23,960
people that don't like like me
having OK, so all right, so I

937
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,280
know what you're saying.
You know what I'm saying, cuz

938
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,480
like, OK, like let's take one of
my favorite bands, seagull

939
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,120
rolls, right, They're a band
from Iceland.

940
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:35,800
And if you don't, if people that
let know them love them and the

941
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,240
people that don't love them just
don't know them.

942
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,960
So they're not like so big to
where everyone has to have an

943
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,920
opinion on them.
It's not like Benson Boone were

944
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,520
like you have to love or hate
him.

945
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,560
It's like.
It's a stash though, just

946
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,280
saying.
I mean, I think the Stevenies.

947
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:51,600
Porn stars.
I think he's a.

948
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,560
Very talented young man.
I'm impressed by him.

949
00:50:55,240 --> 00:50:57,960
I agree.
But but yeah, like, but

950
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,840
certainly they're paying their
bills with their art and that's

951
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,280
just the sweet spot.
But what's paying your bills?

952
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:05,600
Like I want dream big.
All right?

953
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,240
So if, you know, I'm woo woo,
right?

954
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:09,720
I got the thing and you're gonna
like speak something into

955
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:10,960
creation with that.
Yeah.

956
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,760
Growl of yours, right.
For the family, that for

957
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,320
whatever life that you want,
Yeah.

958
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:21,160
My definition of success is I
can travel wherever I want in

959
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,880
the manner in which I want.
That would be dope.

960
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:25,520
That would be dope.
Yeah.

961
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,880
I'm not.
You know, again, I don't need

962
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,120
more than three shirts, but but
I don't need.

963
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,720
I'm going to have to find a
pizza place from here and just

964
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,200
like, I don't, I don't know
where you live, obviously.

965
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,720
Wait, let that be a thing where
I only wear pizza shirts.

966
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:40,640
Let that be a thing.
That's.

967
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,800
My new gimmick I don't need.
We're going.

968
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,320
To have to do a thing and you're
going to have to get APO box and

969
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,000
we'll see how many shirts you
get.

970
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,800
OK, this is my new dream.
Can I change my dream?

971
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,240
I don't even want to do music
anymore.

972
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:54,120
I just want to get this cool
piece of shit.

973
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,560
But yeah, I don't need a lot of
nice things.

974
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,120
I have no desire for a fancy
car.

975
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,960
I have no desire for a watch,
you know?

976
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,520
But traveling sounds dope.
Yeah, I like that.

977
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,200
That sounds appealing.
And traveling on tour is

978
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,600
different.
Like like we're talking about

979
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,320
before, like when you go to a
place on tour, you go, you sound

980
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,560
check, you hit up the nearest
like pizza place for food and

981
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,200
then you play your show and then
you're out of there.

982
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:22,560
You don't really get to take a
place in.

983
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:29,200
So, yeah, you know, it's so
success would be like, yeah,

984
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,600
enough money to take care of
myself and the people that I

985
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,560
love and and but not to the
point where like I need to

986
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,440
fucking Rolls Royce.
Like, let's be real.

987
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,680
Like that's ridiculous.
I don't know, like things don't

988
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,520
define you, they don't make you
happy, they can't fill you up.

989
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,480
So.
I also think it says something

990
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,840
about you if you do own a rolls.
Like like you could have done so

991
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,640
much with that money.
That's what you decide to get.

992
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,440
Like fucking hell.
Travel agent who just came

993
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,040
across my TikTok.
I don't I think it's live or

994
00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:01,640
sounds like live or that's what
I'm making it up to be now

995
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,840
anyway, but she deals with like
this Uber rich and like a call

996
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,760
in was I brought my Pomeranian.
It needs a Butler.

997
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,800
Yeah.
I'm like, dude, you have not

998
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,320
faced any challenge in your
life.

999
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,840
I'm thinking a small challenge
might make you more interesting,

1000
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,160
which I know is a big judgement,
but it's true.

1001
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,600
I think I've been through some
crazy things and quake.

1002
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:29,360
So like, yeah, it's crazy.
So you know who shows up for you

1003
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,360
and you know who won't?
And then like, I like nice

1004
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,000
things.
Like before I hit record, I told

1005
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,360
him, like, I grew up on Long
Island.

1006
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,360
And my big joke is I don't
identify as a New Yorker because

1007
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:45,040
New York's not my spot.
But like, all the stuff, it

1008
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,200
just, it just, it can't make you
happy.

1009
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,320
It can't.
It just, it doesn't work.

1010
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,520
Just doesn't work.
That's and that's it would seem

1011
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:55,200
that way.
Right.

1012
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,520
Like like it sucks when you lose
it.

1013
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,640
Oh my joke about.
Long Island is I still like like

1014
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,200
mascara and a good leather
jacket.

1015
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:05,560
Like I just can't like those are
kind of ingrained.

1016
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:09,120
I I do, I do love a good, well,
good news is it doesn't cost an

1017
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,000
arm and a leg.
For mascara and a good other

1018
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,680
jacket.
Exactly.

1019
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:14,200
You know, I mean that that stuff
is.

1020
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:18,240
Not even about.
Like, listen, if you love

1021
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:21,760
driving nice cars because it
feels so good, like, OK, fine.

1022
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,640
Like, you know, I mean, it's
your money, do whatever.

1023
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,920
But what the sad thing is, is a
lot of those times, it's not

1024
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,000
even because they love those
things that they're not really

1025
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,960
into the mechanics of a watch.
They just want a fancy watch

1026
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,560
because they want to project
something about themselves.

1027
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,040
It's just peacocking.
And So what do you want to

1028
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:39,400
project?
What do you want people to see

1029
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:40,160
when they watch?
You.

1030
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,840
I just hope they like my music.
It's like the shy side of you is

1031
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,800
fascinating.
OK, we want they'll like your

1032
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,640
music obvious.
I mean, that's it.

1033
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,720
There's nothing else I have to
offer the world.

1034
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:57,080
I mean it's that's it.
Like does does your other?

1035
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,360
I don't know, everyone says
partner nowadays.

1036
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,440
Is your other half, are they
into music too?

1037
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,400
Are they not into music?
Do you guys have a line between

1038
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,000
that not?
I mean, yeah, she's into music.

1039
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:11,280
Not to the extent that I am, but
to the like.

1040
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,520
Yeah.
And a healthy relationship with

1041
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,760
music and the arts.
Is she bound?

1042
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,800
Like, did you play like, Oh my
God, I love this and.

1043
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:23,000
She's like yeah or or because I
don't always share what I'm.

1044
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,120
Rating with my family.
Because like they're the

1045
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,520
harshest girl.
I'm like, oh, she's too sweet.

1046
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,520
Because I do show her like the
in.

1047
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,880
The in the early, early demo
stages, like ideas and it's

1048
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,760
always positive what you need to
believe.

1049
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,920
She's a liar.
But but maybe I could gauge it

1050
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,360
on like the level of positivity
if she's like, oh, fuck yeah.

1051
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,120
Or if she's like, oh, this is
really good.

1052
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,160
Like maybe 1 means what it sucks
and the other means is actually

1053
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,680
good.
But but she's she's very, very

1054
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,520
sweet, very supportive.
And she comes from like

1055
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,920
contemporary modern dance.
So she can appreciate just being

1056
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,560
obsessed with an art and diving
into it, you know?

1057
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,080
So she gets that.
Yeah.

1058
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:07,440
Yeah.
So music lives in her too,

1059
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:07,960
right?
Yeah.

1060
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:09,840
She just.
Expresses it differently.

1061
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,760
Yeah, good.
Yeah, good way of putting.

1062
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:14,760
That I like that.
That's true, right?

1063
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,640
It's just it moves, yeah, it
moves through OK.

1064
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,280
So you guys all move.
That's good.

1065
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,800
I was like, oh, my ADH, like I'm
picking up on you.

1066
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,320
You're like my body is like
buzzing, like the nicotine is

1067
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,880
kicked in.
Like has my nicotine traveled

1068
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:30,200
through this microphone into
your?

1069
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,160
Headphones, that's the whole
thing about like, being

1070
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:34,240
empathic.
Clairvoyant.

1071
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:36,080
Like you just feel so much.
It's like wow, wow.

1072
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,120
You're like you're nervous, like
you're sound like how I feel

1073
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,200
like looking at you.
If you want to hear, it's like

1074
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,200
from here.
It's not even my elbow, but it's

1075
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,440
like from here down is like
jittery now.

1076
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,640
Wow, interesting.
I know.

1077
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,320
I think a good song will come
out of it.

1078
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,960
I mean, like you said,
frequencies have a.

1079
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:57,000
Physiological effect.
So maybe certain, maybe it's

1080
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,360
certain frequencies in my.
I don't know.

1081
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,360
All right, so I'm gonna like
we're.

1082
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,280
We're ending.
We're coming to the end of our

1083
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:07,360
time here.
So I, I want to give your very

1084
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,800
loyal friends a chance.
So I, I'm gonna, I'm if you're

1085
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,800
actually down for the T-shirt
thing, I think, I think we

1086
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,840
should see the T-shirts.
Like we need pizza T-shirts.

1087
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:19,800
Oh yeah.
You know I don't have APO box

1088
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,080
set up.
And I'm not about to give out my

1089
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:23,000
home address, no.
No.

1090
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,240
Don't give out your home
address.

1091
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:25,360
We'll cut all that out.
I was just like.

1092
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,640
If you do like I'm like, oh, and
whatever you don't want, we can

1093
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,200
like donate somewhere.
I don't know.

1094
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:30,960
Would you be down for something
like that?

1095
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,000
Wait, people, I'm not going to.
Donate it.

1096
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,600
I'm keeping all of them.
Whatever comes my wait, you want

1097
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,520
me to give some away?
I don't want to do that.

1098
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,960
OK, no, no giving, it was.
Just seeing if you are.

1099
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,800
Generous, but obviously.
No way.

1100
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,800
All right, you.
You let me know if you're.

1101
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,480
Down and I can always add but I
think that would be OK.

1102
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,200
How about this if anyone out
there has a pizza?

1103
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,760
T-shirt.
DM me and I will send you my

1104
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,440
home address because that's how
much I want.

1105
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,720
They have to leave a comment
here.

1106
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,640
We love them here.
Yes, yes, yes.

1107
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,120
Leave a comment here.
What do I point anywhere?

1108
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,200
OK, just leave a comment.
And what you're Will.

1109
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:13,720
I'm gonna figure out a way I
can.

1110
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,080
I can make something happen.
OK?

1111
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:16,320
I'm just gonna leave it in your
hands.

1112
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,640
I love.
That I love like.

1113
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,160
The challenge of it, can you see
my eyes lighting up?

1114
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,120
I just got energized.
I'm like, oh, an impossible

1115
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,280
task.
Yes, I'm going to make this

1116
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:28,960
happen.
I'm going to benefit from this.

1117
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,400
So I'm just going to let you.
I'm not.

1118
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,160
A stalker and you don't have to
give me your home, we can

1119
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,640
figure.
Out someplace, it's a pizza

1120
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:35,680
place.
Nearby to.

1121
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,480
Like drop them, give like your
best friends.

1122
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,160
All right, so I end every
interview with the same

1123
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:47,440
question, which is if you came
with a warning label, what would

1124
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:51,760
it be?
This product contains nicotine.

1125
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,800
Nicotine is an addictive
chemical.

1126
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,360
Sorry, I'm literally reading it
from my I think that's epic.

1127
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:06,080
No, this product contains high
sugar, may give you diabetes.

1128
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,400
Did I tell you what my mine is?
So what is yours?

1129
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:09,800
You don't have to be.
Mine is.

1130
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,840
We'll talk about chorea.
Huh?

1131
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,680
My warning label is.
We'll talk.

1132
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,800
And that's.
I could probably learn about

1133
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,600
something a thing for.
Two from you.

1134
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:21,440
I don't.
I don't know about that.

1135
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,320
My husband doesn't.
Understand the obsession.

1136
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,200
I was like, it's a completely
different culture.

1137
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:26,240
It's everything.
I don't know.

1138
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,240
The food is good.
And now I I learned to cook a

1139
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,120
bunch of it and he's like, Oh my
God.

1140
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,360
So you've been yeah, twice.
OK, so next time we go.

1141
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,520
Next time you go, we're going.
We're going.

1142
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:36,920
We're just going to go together,
OK?

1143
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,320
Because I'm long overdue for a
visit.

1144
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,360
So we'll just go over there have
you like I'm guessing you go off

1145
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,240
and you have family.
It's been like a very long time.

1146
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,520
I've been like 3.
Times in my life and I don't

1147
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,560
know any of my family that's can
you still speak?

1148
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,280
Could you?
Can you speak Korean, Hung?

1149
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,600
People say I sound like a baby.
Well, that's.

1150
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,560
Like Aggie Aggie.
They say it's cute but I just

1151
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,760
think I sound dumb.
I I speak like a 2 year old.

1152
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,280
I only know.
I keep trying to learn I have a

1153
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:05,960
very.
I can't keep it.

1154
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,600
It just doesn't stick.
It doesn't stick.

1155
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,560
I don't know why I can't get any
better, but I'm good enough to

1156
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,480
be polite and be treated very
kindly when I'm there.

1157
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,600
And yeah, good energy.
So I'm sure you don't need to

1158
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,200
know Korean.
Or English, I like to tell

1159
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,440
everyone I'm ajama close so they
have to be nice.

1160
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:26,840
Nice, that's true.
Well, thank you so much so.

1161
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,400
Everyone has to find and follow
you.

1162
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,360
Where do you want them?
I know you're trying to get them

1163
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,280
over onto your Instagram right
now, but where Instagram,

1164
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,520
TikTok, just search Francis.
Doom.

1165
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,880
There's a couple of fake
accounts of people pretending to

1166
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,640
be me, but just, you know, do
follow the one with the most

1167
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,840
followers.
Yeah, and Spotify and Spotify.

1168
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,040
And don't forget, I mean, yeah.
Spotify.

1169
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,600
Apple Music, Amazon, all the
music platforms, that's actually

1170
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,840
good call.
That's actually where I want

1171
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:57,320
them.
I'm like taking them to the

1172
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,680
commercial, to the product.
Just go to the product.

1173
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,560
Yeah, I got you, I got you.
We're good now.

1174
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,440
I found the rhythm.
I found the rhythm okay.

1175
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,760
And everyone leave a comment and
we are.

1176
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:13,840
And if you want to donate a
pizza T-shirt, say I will donate

1177
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,200
a pizza T-shirt, and we'll get
in touch with you to clarify,

1178
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,520
she said.
A pizza T-shirt, not a piece.

1179
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,680
Of T-shirt, just so I don't get
pieces of T-shirt.

1180
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,320
That would be interesting.
We can make one whole.

1181
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,120
Pizza T-shirt and make sense.
OK, anyway.

1182
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,640
Sorry.
Anyway, so we want a pizza

1183
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:32,080
parlor.
A pizza joint T-shirt?

1184
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,000
I don't know.
I know now I got the Italian

1185
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,680
hand going.
Let's, let's give Francis more

1186
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:41,640
than three shirts.
So thank you for listening to

1187
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:45,120
the Holly Hughes podcast and
we'll see you real soon.

1188
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:45,840
Bye.