Makeup Over 40: Why Your Old Routine Stops Working (And the Simple Fixes That Actually Help)

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Welcome to the Holly Hughes
podcast Today I am very insanely

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nervous.
Excited.

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Actually did a clip before we
started recording with the one

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and only pro makeup artist and
mature makeup maven Michelle

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Spieler.
Thank you so much for saying yes

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and agreeing to be on my
podcast.

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I have actually followed you for
years and I just love everything

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that you represent.
And then when I found out that

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you and I were probably in LA at
the same time, I was like, we

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probably know a few people in
common.

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So first of all, you work in the
industry in film and TV as well.

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And you have a very successful
like YouTube channel and

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subscription.
People like can learn so much

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from you.
But lately, what I love that

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you've been highlighting is
lashes.

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You do, I do.
I do.

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Lashes are the sole reason I got
into television.

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If I wasn't the best at lashes,
I would not have fallen into

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television.
We have to start with this whole

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thing.
So I have this crazy myth that's

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in my head for me with lashes is
that I always thought that if

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you wore false eyelashes, your
real ones fall out.

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Nope.
How does the glue not pull them

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out?
Well, first of all, you're

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setting the lash just slightly
above your natural lashes.

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So there's a little Ridge of
skin that you're sticking it to.

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And we have a lash cycle.
So if a lash comes out when you

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pull the fake lash off, that's
probably a lash that was going

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to fall out anyway.
The glue is very rubbery.

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And so it's not a harsh glue
that's going to pull off your

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healthy lashes.
And I know this to be true

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because my mom wore lashes every
day of her life from the mid 60s

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until she got cancer and she was
in bed for a year.

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She went through chemo.
She she kept her lashes, but on

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when my mom went into Hospice, I
was looking down at her and she

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had long, thick, beautiful
lashes.

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And so I knew that the fake
lashes had not hurt her own

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lashes.
That's amazing.

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I think my mom had those too.
And I know you're a very

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amazing.
You're a good teacher.

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I watch you show the kind of
tweezer you need.

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You do all of that and I don't
have the steady hand.

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I like the little ones on the
end sometime, but I don't.

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They intimidate me.
That and when the craze went

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crazy and everyone had like
spiders on their faces, that was

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like too much for me.
Too much.

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I just posted a last tutorial
yesterday and I called it the

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only last tutorial you'll ever
need.

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I saved it.
OK so I know you can do it

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because it's only 1/2 lash and
so it just lifts the eye without

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feeling cumbersome or
overwhelming.

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I will definitely go back to
that.

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I will get a new duo glue.
How long do you keep a glue?

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Or does it should it run out?
Yeah, I mean, sometimes it even

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starts to get dry as it gets to
the bottom and you just toss it

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and there's nothing like a fresh
glue.

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I love a fresh glue.
So I want to know, like, how did

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you start on your journey?
How did you become the makeup

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artist you are?
What was the first step?

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The first step is I had a
glamorous mom who wore makeup

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every day of her life and wore
lashes every day of her life,

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and she looked like Barbara
Eden.

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I dream of Jeannie.
And so that was just my muse,

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right?
And so I got into makeup at a

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very young age.
I have the original Oil of Olay.

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I keep it because this was the
start of my skin care journey at

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16 years old.
Every night of my life, I washed

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my face and I did Oil of Olay.
And then cut to I went to

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college.
I got a Bachelor of Fine Arts

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and Illustration.
My dream was to be an

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illustrator.
I did go to an illustration

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studio for three years and I'd
worked in animation and I

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painted for Warner Brothers and
Disney and Hanna Barbera.

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And one day scooby-doo came back
for a revision and I had a

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meltdown.
And I went to the street on a

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payphone to call my husband.
And I'm hyperventilating and

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he's like quit.
And I'm like, I can't quit.

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This is my career.
And he's like, you're so

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unhappy.
It was hurting the marriage.

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And he's like just quit.
So I did and he's like, just go

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get a part time job.
So I went back to Mack.

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I worked for Mack right out of
college.

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I went back to Mack.
I went to Robertson where all of

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the celebrity makeup artist
shopped, all of the celebrities

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shopped at Mack on Robertson
because it was the pro store.

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And going there for one year
changed my life.

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Wow, I love that.
Why Mac?

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Because Mac was the thing back
in the day.

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Did you go there?
Because it was like the brand to

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be around and with then.
When I first got out of college,

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I couldn't find a job as an
illustrator, so I went to

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Nordstrom because my best friend
had worked there and she got

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free stuff and I'm like, I want
free stuff.

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So I went into makeup.
I worked for Estee Lauder for a

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year, but quite honestly it was
middle-aged white women.

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And I'm like boring.
And this new up and coming brand

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in 1992 was like starting to get
like a weight around the counter

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and everyone wore black and they
were funky.

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And I'm like, that's my brand.
So I went to work for Mac in 93

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and I worked for them until 96.
Then I quit for three years to

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be an illustrator.
And then I went right back to

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Mac, but I went to the pro
store.

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Are you born and raised in
California then or?

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Born and raised in Los Angeles.
Yep, my parents too.

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We all went to the same high
school, Long Beach, CA, the LBC,

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LBC baby Snoo.
Okay I didn't know that part

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about you cuz I know you're on
the East Coast now.

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So my journey was I went to LA
on vacation when I graduated

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college.
I got my first credit card.

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And back in the day, you
actually had to earn them,

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right?
And I got a round trip ticket to

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anywhere in the contiguous
United States.

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And the furthest spot from I
went to school in DC was LA that

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I had a friend.
It's like, hey, can I come

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visit?
And they're like, sure.

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So I visited and I really liked
it.

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Then I went back and I really
liked it.

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And then I left my roommate four
months of rent, and I just moved

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and crashed on my friend's
floor.

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I called this place Shannon
Claire Films.

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They're like, can you start
Monday?

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And I just said, yes, yeah, I
had done a little bit of

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production in in DCI, went to
school for journalism, but I

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couldn't get hired as a
journalist after.

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So then I worked for a small
production company and literally

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the guy told me he hired me
because I wouldn't be a

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distraction in the office.
It's so mean.

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But I started learning makeup
because I just loved it.

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But I think you have to have a
very specific kind of

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personality.
You have to be really warm and

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welcoming.
You must be able to handle a lot

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in the makeup trailer.
Like I think many people don't

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know that part and your hours
are longer.

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It's crazy hours.
And I always say to people like,

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you should really get a
psychology degree before

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becoming a makeup artist.
In hindsight, I might have gone

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that route.
You have to match the hat.

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So whatever your mood, your
actors in, that's the mood

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you're going to be in.
You can't be the Michelle show.

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Like nobody wants that in the
makeup trailer.

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So you become a little bit more
humble.

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There's no ego in it.
And so we see this rise of the

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influencer makeup artist
community on social media and

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they're great at their own
makeup.

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Maybe they could even do great
makeup on a friend who looks

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like them.
But if you don't know how to do

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all ages, all ethnicities and,
like, lose your ego and it's not

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about you because being a makeup
artist is about it's about

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serving.
And so I think that's why it

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just was such a good fit for me
because I love people and I care

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about people.
And there's nothing better than

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I would work at ESPN and I would
do a man's makeup and he would

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get out of the chair and he's
like, I feel so good.

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And I'm like, hell, yeah, you
do.

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Because I'm a freaking
psychologist.

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You know, my friend Preston used
to call me his hairpist because

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I did his hair and makeup.
I was his hairpist.

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You really have to build people
up in the chair.

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It's so much more than
aesthetics.

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So like, I worked at Spelling
for a while and there was some

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of the actors who were a little
more famous than others that

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could pull in of course, there
and hair and makeup people.

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One of my favorite stories about
that was Joan Collins.

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I was on the show with her very
briefly.

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So she ordered full her whole
thing every week.

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I'm like, has she even used it?
This is epic.

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They're like, it's her.
She gets whatever she wants.

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So like every single product
that remotely could come near

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her, We ordered every week and
her own wig people.

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And like it was astounding and
amazing.

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And I really actually miss being
on the inside of all the trends

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that LA had, right?
Like even the subtle ones that

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would come through.
But that was a different time.

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That was a different time.
That was before social media.

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There's 500 trends going at all
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They last a week and then it's
the next trend.

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So it's not the same as back in
the 90s or 2000s when we were

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special in Los Angeles or New
York like we were special

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because this is where trends
started before it went out to

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the whole country.
And it's just a different time

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now.
Do you miss any of the trends

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from back in the day?
Yeah, absolutely.

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Which one?
Which one I want to know?

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I missed the 90s makeup.
I mean, that's when I worked for

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Mac.
It was the height of matte

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makeup and neutrals and Browns
and you know, we did big lashes

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and I don't miss thin eyebrows
that I.

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Never did it.
I never did it.

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The biggest mistake of my life,
that's what you have beautiful

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eyebrows.
Because Anastasia wouldn't let

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me, she yelled at me.
Good.

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I'm glad she got a hold of you.
Yeah, I do.

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I miss that.
I miss some fashion trends.

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Like I remember in the early
2000s, we had low waisted jeans

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and we'd wear a big, like,
crystallized belt buckle with

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it.
Like I thought that was so hip

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and cool.
I thought I was so cool.

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I miss those shirts we had that
were like cottony, but they had

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the jewel right here.
Do you remember that thing?

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And because they were so
flattering and they were easy to

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be at work and they're not.
And it was like so comfortable.

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I was like, there's no, I
remember I was like, there's no

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way in wearing that.
And then I put it on.

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I was like, no, it looks good on
everybody.

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They need to bring that one
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The low rise jeans.
I don't know my my butt is too

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big for that.
I don't know.

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I can't do that anymore of it.
You know, back in the early

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2000s, I still could rock it.
I love that.

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OK, so tell me about your
journey with the lashes because

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I like this story.
I like how one person believed

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in you and needed you and
requested you and that was like

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your step into it.
So tell me about.

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That yeah.
So I put my first pair of lashes

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on.
I was going to, I can't remember

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the club in LA, but it was the
Prince owned it.

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I can't remember the name of it,
but anyway, I went, I wore

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lashes for the first time in
1989 and by 1992 I was working

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for Estee Lauder and my boss
said, oh, by the way, you're

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doing lashes today.
Everyone gets free lashes.

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And I'd never done lashes on
anyone but myself.

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And I remember like I was
shaking and they probably looked

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terrible.
But that's kind of how I started

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learning lashes.
And then you get to Mac and you

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have to know lashes because
everyone wore lashes in the 90s.

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So it was cut to 1999 and I'm
working at the pro store and

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this beautiful Playboy Playmate
walks in.

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Lisa Durgan.
She was Playmate of the year

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1997, gorgeous blonde, green
eyes.

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And she walked in and she wanted
to make up appointment with

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Chris.
But Chris is he's like this big

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flirt.
He's so cute.

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And he was off that day.
So they're like, oh, give her to

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Michelle.
Michelle loves doing lashes.

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And she was going on a date with
Rod Stewart and then they were

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going to the Playboy Mansion for
a big party.

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And she and I just hit it off.
We're both Leos.

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We're just, we were so fun
together.

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And she's like, I'm going to
request you again.

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And I went home that night from
work and I told my husband, this

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girl's going to change my life.
I didn't know how or why, but I

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just knew it.
I just felt it in my gut.

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And I became her makeup artist
for five years.

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And then when she got her first
hosting gig on NBC, Race to the

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Altar, she brought me along and
I did her hair and makeup for

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that whole season.
And then I met producers like

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yourself, and they're like, we
like you.

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And so they brought me along.
And I ended up on Extreme

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Makeover Home Edition for four.
It had to be a grind that show

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that shows hours are in.
Like I knew, I think I knew

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someone who rotated through and
they're like, we couldn't, they

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couldn't keep up.
Yeah, One time we did a house

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and then we did a wedding after
the house was built and it was

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in the middle of the night and
the poor bride was like

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sleeping, you know, at our own
wedding at 4:00 in the morning

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that I worked a 24 hour shift.
And when you go into overtime

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and production, you make time
and a half and then after I

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think 12 hours, you or. 14.
Yeah, you you start making

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double time.
I made so much money in a 24

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hour shift.
We shot 24 hours around the

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clock.
And I made so much money I

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bought my husband's sails for
his sailboat in one shift.

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OK, I am so curious about your
husband.

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First of all, it sounds like you
married really young.

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Yeah, I was 27.
I mean, it didn't seem young at

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the time, but it is.
It's yeah, I was 27, he was 29.

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We just celebrated 30 years on
April Fool's Day.

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Oh, congratulations.
So what how did you guys meet?

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Is he in the business too?
Is he not in the business?

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No, when we met he was doing
documentaries, but he never got

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into production in the
entertainment realm.

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But I dated his roommate and it
didn't work out.

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That's basically how we met.
Did you like have a cooling off

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period before you just started
dating or?

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Yeah, for sure.
He knew this guy was going to

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break my heart too, because this
guy was a serial like, you know,

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manipulator.
But yeah, we hung out just as

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friends for a long time.
We were at a church together and

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we had a big group of college
and career kids who we'd all

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hang out in our 20s.
And we just hung out as friends.

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And it developed into.
More when you're teaching right,

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you have this thing where I want
you to feel joyful do about who

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you are and what you are.
You are really transparent about

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your life, which I find amazing
because I am super, 100% me.

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Like this is all me.
But there's like that introvert

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that comes out when the camera
goes off and I'm just so I get

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really quiet and Moody is like.
Really.

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I can get that laid too.
I absolutely can.

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OK, so long term marriage and
you work crazy hours.

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How did you negotiate that?
Like I just feel like a lot of

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people when you're working.
So if you've never been in film

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production, the average day is
12 to 14 hours, plus you have

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the hour commute, right?
So you're not home a lot.

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And there was no texting then
there was beepers, so

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communication was different.
So how did you guys navigate

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that?
We're just both really

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independent and I think what was
great is because he did

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documentaries early, he did
understand the production

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schedule.
He was just always super

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supportive of anything I do.
Like if I say, hey honey, we're

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having corn flakes for dinner,
he'll be like, oh, awesome.

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I love corns.
Like he just always, whatever I

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do, he's like, let's do it.
Like it was my idea to move to

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Nashville and like, let's move
to Nashville.

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He's like, OK.
Wasn't your idea?

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Wait, so you went LA, North
Carolina?

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What part of the state were you
in?

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We were north of Charlotte in a
historic town called Salisbury,

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only because my dad worked for
Food Lion and that's where the

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headquarters was.
OK, so I'm just outside of

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Charlotte myself.
So like, what made you all come

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here?
Like I want to know what your

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conversation was.
That's so cool.

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We had been talking about
leaving LA for a long time and

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just because of the taxes and
all the unions and pensions,

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more like this is not
sustainable and the taxpayers

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are going to end up paying it.
Just too many reasons to list.

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And I was working on new Girls
season 1.

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You know, it was my dream job.
And he's like, hey, my company

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has a job opening in Charlotte.
You know, we can go be near your

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parents.
And I'm like, I'm on my dream

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job.
And throughout that day we were

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at a park in like Hollywood,
downtown LA.

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And I'm looking around and
there's hypodermic needles and

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used condoms and I'm working a
16 hour day and I have a four

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year old daughter.
And I'm like, this is a hit

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show.
Like my ego loved being on that

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show, but my heart was about my
child.

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And I said, let's get out of
here.

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And within a week, I was giving
notice and we were on the way to

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North Carolina for a whole new
life.

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You're so like us.
So I I wasn't on a hit show, but

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my daughter was about 1 1/2 two
and we were living in Playa

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Vista.
Do you remember, like when?

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Yeah.
So we were one of the first

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people to move into that
development while people were

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like, they're like, there's
methane.

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They're like there's methane
everywhere.

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But they kept protesting.
But it was affordable housing in

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California, which is ironic if
you think about the prices.

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But regardless.
So I have no family out there.

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He has no family out there.
I had this baby.

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I had gone from producing and
being in charge of like 250

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people to like, I wanted to be
home.

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Yep.
Right And I was like, I don't

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have a nanny money and I don't
want a nanny.

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She can't talk.
Like who do I trust?

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I trust no one 'cause I was in
the business too long, right?

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So we sat down at the kitchen
table and we asked each other

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like, do you want a life or we
have to work hard to get by or

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one we can enjoy.
And everyone said we were crazy,

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but people tell me that all the
time.

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And we're like, well, let's try
one we can enjoy.

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And he does commercial real
estate and someone gave him an

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offer here in Charlotte.
So we just picked up and moved.

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But this is the really crazy
part.

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We moved.
So obviously we're independent

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contractors, everybody.
So we paid for the move.

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Moving across the country ain't
cheap.

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And we found a rental place and
it was like so cheap compared to

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LA.
So we're like, this is good.

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And he went in for his first day
of work and the man who had

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hired him retired.
And they're like, hey, thanks

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for coming.
But he left.

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There's no job.
We had something similar.

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Yeah, we had the rug pulled out
under us.

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But you know what?
It just makes you hustle.

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Yeah, he's like, what do we do?
I'm like lemonade, baby

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lemonade.
So I think that's fascinating.

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Like those are kind of like
similar, but to anyone who wants

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to change would still wants to
pursue their creativity or their

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craft or their art, go for it.
Because the cost of living out

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there is insane.
I mean our property taxes.

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Nuts.
Yeah.

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So that kind of like leads me
into, so now there's this

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Internet, there's like YouTube.
And so I'm assuming you started

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on YouTube, right?
It was, did you start when you

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move?
No, like how did all of your

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influenciness start?
What happened was I was in my

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late 40s and I was tired all the
time and out of shape.

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And I saw like an autumn
Calabrese beach body

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infomercial.
And so I signed up for her

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program.
And within like a short period

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of time, it changed my body.
And I felt great.

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And I was getting, you know,
accolades from people.

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And so I'm like, I'm going to
become a beach body coach and

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I'm going to change women's
lives.

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And so, you know, just learning
how to do that whole network

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marketing kind of set me up for
success for TikTok.

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But cut to 2020 and you know, I
was at ESPN when we got the

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notice to go home immediately
because the NBA closed down.

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And if the NBA closed down, the
whole world was closing down.

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So I got sent home somewhere mid
March because of COVID.

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It was 2020 and what are you
going to do?

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You got to make money.
So I started selling beauty

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counter because I was clean
beauty back then.

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I was clean beauty.
I only did clean beauty and I

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started selling beauty counter
because they said, hey, we know

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everyone's screwed.
And so it's there's no fee to

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join.
You can be a beauty counter Rep,

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there's no fee.
And so I started selling beauty

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counter and it did help.
And I was, you know, mostly on

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Facebook and Instagram.
And then something happened and

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Facebook said, oh, you're locked
out for a month.

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I did something I don't remember
naughty.

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Girl.
I'm like screwed.

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You're like the nicest person.
Look at you do.

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Ron on Facebook.
Well, I'll tell you what

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happened.
I I joined a group of people who

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was trying to expose child porn
on Facebook and we had photos of

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it and we were exposing this
group and then we were all

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penalized for exposing this
group.

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Yeah.
So I'm like, screw you.

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I'm going to TikTok.
My, my daughter and I were on

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TikTok everyday laughing our
butts off.

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It was so funny.
And I'm like, I'm just going to

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start TikTok and I did in 2020.
I love how you just go for it.

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Yeah, I'm just gonna.
I'm just gonna do it.

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I'm just gonna do it.
Kevin, we just go for it and we

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worry about the repercussions
later.

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I'm gonna have to figure out
which mine is.

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What is that other one?
It's like the one thing I'm not

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into that everyone, if you're a
projector or a manifester, like

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do you know that stuff about
you?

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Do you know?
I don't manifest because I think

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that for me that takes credit
away from God and He's my agent

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and He gives me all the
opportunities.

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So I don't get into the whole
projecting, manifesting.

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So I don't know which I would
be.

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I really don't know which I
would be.

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But Enneagram I got into, I have
no idea why.

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I just thought it was
fascinating.

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I don't know how much I really
believe in it, but I'm

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definitely an Enneagram 7.
And my husband's definitely a #2

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he's the helper, he's the Boy
Scout.

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Like he wants to help too much.
And then my daughter, I thought

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she was a nanny and Graham 7,
but she's an 8.

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She's a challenger and if you
challenge her, she's just

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relentless.
She's like a Pitbull and she's

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going to grab on and she's not
going to let and so I just find

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it all very fascinating.
I like that.

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OK, so I found you on TikTok.
TikTok was my escape for me, I

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didn't join at all during COVID
and the lockdown.

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It was really a place for me not
being in my reality, right?

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So like for me, I was like, oh,
let me just go find people who

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make me feel better kind of
thing.

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And so even back then you are
like mature women, right?

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You are about a real face and
you even shared some of like

449
00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,040
your own plastic surgery
journey, which I love.

450
00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:02,760
Again, like I find that kind of
brave and raw.

451
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,320
You and I were talking really
briefly before I hit record

452
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,240
about invisibility, right?
Like for me, when you become a

453
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,520
mother, when I was a stay at
home mom, you're invisible in

454
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,720
some way because everything you
were before changes.

455
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,600
And I'm sure it is for every
woman.

456
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,680
But like, for me, it was like a
really hard kokunk bed shift or

457
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,280
like interesting shift.
And then you become someone's

458
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,680
mom.
And then even though you're

459
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,960
working, when you're walking
through places, when you're

460
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,360
walking through the world, I
started realizing I was always

461
00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:35,600
looking down, that I wasn't even
making eye contact anymore.

462
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,320
And then like I fixed that.
I was like, that's so not you.

463
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,400
So like, who are you now?
Who am I now?

464
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,800
And then looking up and then
realizing, oh, like, I guess in

465
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,240
Lai was used to not really being
looked at because like the LA

466
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,440
standard is not like, you know,
whatever.

467
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,640
But I I never felt like ugly or
whatever.

468
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,680
But invisible has nothing to do
with beauty.

469
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,760
It really doesn't.
It's this fascinating age thing.

470
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,840
And although I can see the
beauty in others, I honestly

471
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,040
have my own dysmorphic glitch
with that.

472
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:13,560
So I love how you are proponent
of like women embodying

473
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,560
themselves.
How are you so confident?

474
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,600
I try to expense ageism because
it really is a problem,

475
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,200
especially in social media.
I've always been confident to

476
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,040
the point where it sometimes
makes people uncomfortable.

477
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,200
That's why I just go for things
because I just know it's always

478
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,440
going to work out and if
something doesn't work out, then

479
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,480
I'm like, let's move on to the
next thing.

480
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:38,280
My confidence comes from God.
He has always given me the, when

481
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,080
you know who you are in a higher
power, how do you not have

482
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,240
confidence?
Because my confidence is in him,

483
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,680
not in me.
And so that's where my

484
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,160
confidence comes from.
Do I get insecure?

485
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,240
Absolutely.
Like anybody, you know, I might

486
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,760
even look in the mirror and be
like, oh, maybe, you know.

487
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,840
And then I'm like, stop it,
Michelle, stop.

488
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,840
We're not doing any more
surgery.

489
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,080
We're done.
But I only know how to be open

490
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,920
and honest and raw.
And I find that to be quite

491
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:10,360
honest, Holly, I find that women
say they want honest and raw and

492
00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:12,800
they want authentic.
Guess what?

493
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,280
They don't.
And so I'm learning that this

494
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,880
year, 2025, I'm learning.
Oh, I'm being too honest.

495
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,360
Oh, they don't like that.
OK, We can scale it back and

496
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:26,440
we'll be pretty happy, Michelle.
Because that's what you want,

497
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,600
OK.
I don't see that last thing.

498
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,000
I don't know.
That's like, that's a fine line.

499
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,840
I want to know because these are
the two questions I always have

500
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,360
besides eyelashes about makeup,
right?

501
00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:40,400
Is this is like 7 years ago.
I have to wear glasses all the

502
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,360
time.
I can't do contacts because I

503
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:45,640
can't take them out.
Number one and #2 mine are

504
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,000
bifocals.
I'm so sexy.

505
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,520
So there's no such thing as a
bifocal really.

506
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,400
Contact that doesn't make you
crazy or dizzy or whatever.

507
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,560
All the things to me.
So my thing is like, I love

508
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,840
makeup Now.
The good thing about my glasses

509
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,440
is they magnify so it looks like
I still have a lid when I take

510
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,320
my glasses off.
It's way more hooded.

511
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,600
And so for me, I want to do the
upper blef so much right?

512
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,160
And I'm just waiting like
another year or two because I

513
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,720
want to go back to Korea more.
So that's like I'm like plastic

514
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,200
surgery or travel.
I'm like travel right now it's

515
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,200
travel.
But when you do make up and then

516
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,600
you put your glasses on, it
looks completely different.

517
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,200
So I'm always like, what is a
way?

518
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:29,880
I just nice, sexy.
I think you look sexy, I really

519
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,400
do.
The minute I you popped on

520
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,640
screen I'm like hot librarian.
Like I love glasses on a woman.

521
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,360
So but like doesn't it change
like where your blush goes a

522
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:42,440
little bit or not?
Or am I overthinking?

523
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,160
I think you're overthinking.
Yeah, your blush placement right

524
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,680
now looks like it's right here,
and it looks perfect.

525
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,960
I went a little higher.
I'm covering my headphones and

526
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,880
my hair, but I go a little
higher because you're like your

527
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,000
last one because so you've been
talking about like powder over

528
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,040
powder, right?
Powder, yeah.

529
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,240
Powder was powder.
I actually really like the look

530
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,880
of oh the other really big tip.
I know everyone you should just

531
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,160
go listen because I know too
many and I have like all these

532
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,880
cards of all the tips I wanted
to highlight but just follow

533
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,560
her.
The thing I was doing really

534
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,200
wrong is I always thought I had
a lot of blush on or what I

535
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,360
thought was right and then I
would go outside and I looked

536
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:23,120
pale AF and you were like you
don't you have to let your face

537
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:26,840
calm down after you do that?
We bring blood to the surface

538
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,960
when we tap our face with a
brush.

539
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,960
Like watch this.
I'm gonna, I'm tapping my face

540
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,120
right.
So now that's a little bit

541
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,280
brighter in this side because I
just brought blush to the

542
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:40,800
surface.
You have to wait a couple

543
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,600
minutes for the blush or for the
blood to go away from the

544
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,480
surface and then that's what
you're left with.

545
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,240
And then I.
Have never heard that before and

546
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:53,720
I was like that is my problem
that is so good and I also find

547
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,680
that pink or red turns pink on
me.

548
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,760
You mean lip?
Lip Yeah, yeah.

549
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,760
What's that?
It just colors optimize and some

550
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,600
people if they run warm you can
turn things certain colors.

551
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,400
OK, so I'll get my other one
contour and blush.

552
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:13,960
Like really?
What's the difference?

553
00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:16,720
Is it when you put it on or how
you put it on?

554
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,320
And I really can't tell the
difference between a cool tone

555
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,680
and a warm tone.
Like I always thought I was cool

556
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,680
and then people told her I'm
neutral and I realized as I'm

557
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,120
aging I'm probably more warm.
You look warm to me and warm.

558
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:32,120
People do sometimes turn Reds
pink.

559
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,720
Have you ever tried a red that's
like world orangey red?

560
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:39,000
Yeah, but it looks like my
grandmother.

561
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:39,840
Got it.
OK.

562
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:40,920
Fair enough.
Yeah.

563
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,680
Like especially there's this Mac
one that I thought everyone's

564
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:44,920
like, you should try that orange
red.

565
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,720
And I put it on and I couldn't
get past grandma.

566
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,480
Ish for me.
Got it.

567
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,960
Yeah.
So no blue.

568
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:56,280
You might be better with just a
really pretty sheer red gloss or

569
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:01,040
sheer A sheer red balm.
But again, it's never going to

570
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,000
look like that classic red
mouth.

571
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,320
It's never going to look like
this because it's sheer.

572
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,040
But that's OK, Not everyone has
to wear a red mouth.

573
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,200
Yeah, I think the other thing
is, like, for me, lipstick

574
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,320
doesn't last.
And my mother growing up was a

575
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,720
lipstick woman, lipstick and
lashes.

576
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,360
That was her thing.
My mom, she's always like you're

577
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,400
all done up but you have nothing
on your lips.

578
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,000
And I'm I'm like, it just
doesn't last.

579
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,240
Every brand is whatever,
probably talk too much, who

580
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,680
knows whatever.
But and if I powder it then I

581
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,600
have all the lines cuz right.
So I was just like, I'm just the

582
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,720
nudie girl with that, I think.
What's wrong with that?

583
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,120
It's fine.
Right, it's a good.

584
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,120
Is that a classic thing?
I love a nude lip all.

585
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:43,800
Right.
So you were the other day, you

586
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,480
had the ABH one, the classic one
out.

587
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,200
Is that still out or is that
something you had forever?

588
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,920
The brand new liner right on
Anastasia Beverly Hills.

589
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,240
Yeah, it's called Stormy.
And so immediately I think of

590
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,720
Kylie and her daughter Stormy,
and there's a funny sound that

591
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,240
my daughter and I do all the
time.

592
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,920
And it's like Stormy, but just
like lobby baby.

593
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,800
And so I'm like, well, of course
I have to do that audio to the

594
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,080
new Stormy pencil.
And then mommy is Max Stone,

595
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,200
right, Because everyone knows
Max Stone.

596
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,280
It's a cool brown.
And so that's what Stormy is by

597
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,120
Anastasia.
I love Mac.

598
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,680
You know, they really set me up
for success.

599
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,520
I learned everything I needed to
know about makeup with Mac.

600
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,080
But Mac has changed over the
years.

601
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,640
They've never acknowledged me.
They've never given me credit.

602
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,560
I send them tons of women for
years.

603
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,920
I've sent them tons of women.
My agency has reached out to

604
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,160
them twice and said, you know,
can Michelle get on the PR list

605
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,880
or do you ever want to do a
brand collab with her?

606
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,400
And crickets.
They want nothing to do with me

607
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,200
because they are ageist.
That bothers me about Mac me.

608
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:55,960
Too.
I love that.

609
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,760
So is Anastasia working with
you?

610
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,320
That would make sense.
Yeah.

611
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:05,880
So like I said, I met her as a
Pennsylvania and she swears she

612
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,920
never lived in the Valley.
But I have a very distinct

613
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,560
memory of I was working so much
and I couldn't come in during

614
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,680
like regular time.
And one time I went to her house

615
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,240
when her daughter was young and
she did my brows there.

616
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,640
She was so kind to me.
And then when she did open her

617
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,800
studio and it expanded and her
makeup line first launched, she

618
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,080
sold it for a while.
She like got on cruise ships.

619
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,880
I was like listening.
She would always tell me these

620
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,120
amazing stories of how her brand
grew.

621
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,120
But the other amazing thing that
she was as a business person,

622
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,720
she was always 10 steps ahead.
She was like, this is who I am.

623
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,280
And so you know how like her
chair is in the window, right?

624
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,960
Her chair was in the window.
And all the celebrities except

625
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,360
for Oprah, she closed the store
for her.

626
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,600
But like, everyone would be
sitting there and she's always

627
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,640
45 minutes late.
But you had to show up in time

628
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,480
just in case she was on time.
But she would always let her

629
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,160
friends sneak in kind of thing,
right?

630
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,560
Which of course she would, but
they were women.

631
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:10,280
They were normal, regular women
of older, like middle age and

632
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,240
older who she was taking care
of.

633
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,760
And I loved that about her.
She's the real deal.

634
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,360
She really is.
So OK, So I want OK, so you did

635
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,080
the upper bluff.
It was like a year and a half

636
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,840
ago, a year or. 2 1/2 years ago,
that was one.

637
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,680
It was February 2nd, 2023.
What was the final like decision

638
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:35,120
for you to actually do that?
So again, I jump without

639
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:40,760
thinking and I had made a lot of
money. 2022 is an explosive year

640
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,160
for me.
I made a lot of money and I'm

641
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,280
like, I just, I'm going to go
for it.

642
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,400
I really wanted surgery in
December or January, but come to

643
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,200
find out people booked that six
months in advance and my doctor

644
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,520
was like, I have an opening on
February 2nd and I'm like, all

645
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,880
right, let's do it.
In hindsight, I think I would

646
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,120
have done it in June.
June is a very quiet time of the

647
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,520
year on social media.
So I would advise people if

648
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,680
you're on social media and do
surgery either end of December,

649
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,880
early January or June.
The upper bluff.

650
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,680
I didn't even go in for an upper
bluff.

651
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,840
He said you need an upper bluff
because you're getting hooded.

652
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,560
And I'm like, oh, I acknowledge
that.

653
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,320
Sure, why not?
We're going under the knife

654
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,600
anyway.
We might as well do the upper

655
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,040
bluff.
He didn't touch the under eye.

656
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:26,840
I didn't need anything.
The upper bluff is 0 pain.

657
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,880
It's the fastest healing.
The most painful part of the

658
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,920
upper bluff was getting the
stitches out because it stings a

659
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,560
little bit.
You don't, they don't numb you

660
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,960
and they just pull the stitches
out after about a week.

661
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,960
And I'm like, you know, that was
the most painful part.

662
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,600
I love that.
And you healed really fast and

663
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,920
you talked about like the neck,
so you would totally do it

664
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,920
again.
Would you wait longer?

665
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,640
Like actually, I wish I could
have done it sooner.

666
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,840
I find that women who do it in
their late 40s, they're surgery

667
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,640
lasts longer because what
happens is once you're in your

668
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:05,880
50s and 60s, your skin is
getting thinner and thinner skin

669
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,199
just keeps stretching.
It's like elastic that's losing

670
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:14,679
its elasticity and you can only
stretch it so far before it's

671
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,400
like, but the younger you are
and the more elastin you have,

672
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,840
you your results last longer.
People think like facelifts last

673
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,679
10 years.
They really don't.

674
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:30,400
And then I went and I lost 10
pounds this past year and he

675
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,040
told me when he was walking me
out to my car the day after my

676
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,800
surgery, he said never lose more
than 5 lbs.

677
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,800
And I thought what a weird thing
to tell me the day after my

678
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,639
surgery.
Well I get it because I've lost

679
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:50,280
£10 this year and I have a lot
of loose skin, but it's fine, I

680
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,080
feel great.
I like I'm trying.

681
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,360
I'm leaning for anyone not like
watching video.

682
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,040
I'm like leaning in trying to
like see it, but I don't see

683
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,560
that.
You don't see it here, but in

684
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,400
some of my Tik Toks, if I'm like
this and I'm looking in a

685
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,880
mirror, you can kind of see some
draping happening and I'm like

686
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,000
whatever.
I have that little creepy thing

687
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,560
right here, right?
Oh yeah, that doesn't make me

688
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,160
happy.
So how do you help women like

689
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:18,640
then accept our our maturing and
us not be invisible because that

690
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,520
is your sweet.
Spot yeah, I really, I almost

691
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,520
like I didn't cry dropping my
kid off for college, but I

692
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:31,040
almost cry over my clients.
Like I love mature women so much

693
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,720
and the fact that we're all kind
of invisible like it, it kind of

694
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:37,480
breaks my heart because the
second part of our life is like

695
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,440
when we really blossom, like we
know who we are and we have

696
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,680
confidence and we have all this
wisdom and we just want to

697
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,280
impart that on the younger
generation and we have so much

698
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,720
to offer and it breaks my heart
that we walk into a store and

699
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:55,920
we're ignored.
So This is why I'm like, if we

700
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,160
could dress up a little bit, you
know, wear some fun jewelry, do

701
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,320
your eye makeup.
If you don't do lashes that's

702
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,400
fine, but do some heavy mascara
and put a fun pipe of color on

703
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:12,240
and do your hair because the
world does receive pretty rather

704
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:15,440
than plain Jane.
And I'm plain Jane all the time.

705
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,520
I dress like a 14 year old boy
most days and I don't wear

706
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,640
makeup a lot of days.
And you are treated differently.

707
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,600
Yeah, so I mean, also having
awesome menopause, like I have

708
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,680
suddenly adult acne and I can't
get rid of it.

709
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,960
And like, I don't know how much
to cover.

710
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,960
Like I am all Korean, like skin
care girl.

711
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,400
It's not that I'm not taking
care of it.

712
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,560
It's like it's hormonal.
No, I don't.

713
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,240
There's nothing I don't know.
I have another doctor's

714
00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:45,240
appointment.
I'm over it.

715
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:48,280
Like I I've messed with what
hormones I am taking what, like

716
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,680
how much and all of that.
And still, it's relentless.

717
00:36:53,760 --> 00:37:02,080
Life is not fair to women, but
we are stronger mentally.

718
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,800
We're stronger than men.
We're more resilient.

719
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:10,280
We are freaking awesome.
Like, I love women, but we've

720
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,640
had to overcome it.
Life is just not fair to women.

721
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,280
Look at women all over the
world.

722
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,320
Look at young girls all over the
world.

723
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,200
Life is not fair to women.
I know like you did glam makeup

724
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,760
like you'll do day and night.
So I have a horrible habit I

725
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,960
think I own.
I counted before we I picked up

726
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,520
the call like 16 neutral
palettes.

727
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,960
I can my daughter who's 17 is
like, stop, you can't buy

728
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,560
another one.
I'm like, but now it's in a

729
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,960
crayon.
Of course, of course I need this

730
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,240
color in a crayon.
So is there like something you

731
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:45,480
could teach us as listeners,
like how not to do that?

732
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,400
Or when do you get rid of a
palette?

733
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:49,360
Right?
Because like during Christmas

734
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,640
and stuff or the sales,
everything that's so pretty and

735
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,240
the new packaging, like what do
we really need?

736
00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:59,200
Because I'm not a makeup artist.
You have a room of beauty there.

737
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:00,320
I don't.
I have a drawer.

738
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,680
It's a pretty big drawer.
Maybe it's 2.

739
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,000
It's totally 2 and the top of a
desk.

740
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,480
But like, I don't really need
another 5 Browns that are the

741
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,320
same brown.
They're just packaged.

742
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,480
I don't know how to stop.
How do I stop?

743
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,000
Yeah, that's a really tough
question, 'cause I mean, look at

744
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,080
this whole table of PR that I
need to film and then I've got

745
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:24,160
like, you know, all these it's.
But I'll tell you, nothing feels

746
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,160
better than purging.
I love to purge my closet and

747
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,640
take it to Goodwill.
I love to purge makeup.

748
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,240
I feel like if you have a
eyeshadow palette that you

749
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:36,120
haven't touched in a year, throw
it away.

750
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,200
It just feels good to have less
clutter.

751
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,520
But how you can stop is if you
stick with the classics, like

752
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,120
I'm going to grab something
because it's just right here.

753
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,200
If I only had one palette in the
whole world, it would be makeup

754
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,920
by Mario.
He does the warm palette, which

755
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,720
I have.
But now that I'm doing Gray

756
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:58,840
blending, I'm now doing the the
neutral palette.

757
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,680
Honestly, this is all you need.
Then if you wanted a little

758
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,360
sparkle or a little pop of
color, well then you could buy a

759
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,960
single shadow or you could buy
like a glitter pen pencil by 1/2

760
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,360
Magic.
But I really think that if you

761
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,200
stick to classics, you're going
to stop buying all the things.

762
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,720
Look, I have like 500 neutral
lip pencils.

763
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,320
Like how many do I really need?
I don't I really could get away

764
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:29,680
with just two or three.
But we just since 2020, we've

765
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,640
just developed this habit of
like consumerism and TikTok shot

766
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,840
makes everything instant.
Buy it now.

767
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,920
And I really don't know how to
calm that shopping noise in

768
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,280
people's heads.
I think you have to just go into

769
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,880
each day with intention and
you're going to say, hey, I

770
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,480
trust Michelle.
I like her.

771
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,960
She's using this new thing.
So I know it's good, but do I

772
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,720
need it?
Because that's something I used

773
00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:59,240
to say a lot in my videos.
I'm like, do you need it?

774
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,160
You know, like I'd be selling
something and I'm like, put it

775
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,560
on your wish list.
Do you need it if you don't put

776
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,080
it on your wish list?
But sometimes I don't have time

777
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,160
in a one minute video to add
that in.

778
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,720
But I really do believe that,
like if you don't need it, if

779
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:16,360
it's just a want, sit on it a
few days.

780
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,480
Because then in a few days you
might be like, oh, I don't even

781
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,360
need that.
Why did I think I needed that?

782
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,760
The other thing you say that I
really appreciate as a fan,

783
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,160
you're like, it might not work
for you.

784
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,760
Yeah.
You say that often and it's so

785
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,320
refreshing, like it really is
because I, I've tried a few

786
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,560
things and they I was like, oh,
that didn't work on my skin.

787
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,920
Like it really creped.
I didn't expect that right?

788
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,960
And you're like, it might not.
And I was like, and now I have

789
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,560
no guilt.
Look, I'm, I love doing makeup,

790
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,040
so.
But I'm not at your level.

791
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,720
But like, I have so much fun.
So it's not like I'm afraid to

792
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:50,200
try something.
So like, I think some people

793
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,040
might think, oh, if it doesn't
look good, it I maybe I did it

794
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,480
wrong, but I don't think that.
I think sometimes it just

795
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,000
doesn't blend.
Like we all have those two face,

796
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,440
like two sides of our face.
You've been also talking a lot

797
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:05,280
about our eyebrows, our sisters.
I love that too because those

798
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,240
laminated brows freak me out,
just like the giant, like spider

799
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:09,560
lashes.
I was like, that's a lot of

800
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,040
control on your face.
Yeah.

801
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,560
Yeah, and we don't all have
brows like you, Holly, so we

802
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,360
can't laminate like you can.
I don't even do anything to my

803
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,920
brows I just brush them because
she trained me.

804
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,520
But good, that woman was like
don't tell because I had over

805
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,080
plucked in the middle.
In the 90s, Yep.

806
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,320
In the 90s we over plucked to
over here.

807
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,280
She literally slapped my hand.
I love this woman.

808
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,160
She slapped me.
She goes just grow them in for

809
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,200
three months and come back and I
was like, oh, OK.

810
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,800
Then she's like, you have the
most perfect brows.

811
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,880
And then they were even thicker.
They were way thicker and

812
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,600
because with age they get
thinner as well.

813
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,960
Also, before I got married, she
grabbed my arm.

814
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,920
She's like, what is the sleeve
on your dress?

815
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,000
And I was like, it's sleeveless.
She's like, give me your arm and

816
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,600
she waxed my arm.
She's like no hair on your arm.

817
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,600
That day I was like, thanks, I
know.

818
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,760
Makes me think how hairy were
they that she saw that?

819
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,480
She just wanted you to be
exquisite in person.

820
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,320
You would have looked great in
photo, but in person she wanted

821
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,480
you to be exquisite.
I love how you like, like, like,

822
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,720
say that.
She's a gross girl.

823
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:14,520
I love Anastasia, she's I will
be a fan for life.

824
00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:18,520
So was your friend Jasmine, the
front, the other first C?

825
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,440
She's the one who did my brows
too thin that she yelled at.

826
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,920
So Anastasia got too booked.
I was like, I've been coming to

827
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,520
you for 15 years, I can't come
in.

828
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,200
That's kind of crazy.
And she's like, sorry.

829
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:29,920
And I was like, I'll just go
with Jasmine.

830
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:35,280
Jasmine and I started Mac
together in the 90s, so Jasmine

831
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,320
was at my wedding.
Jasmine and I went to church

832
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,960
together in Los Angeles.
Like Jasmine is just a dear

833
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,560
friend.
She's not still there, is she?

834
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,560
No, but she still does some
training videos.

835
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,440
But no, she married Richard and
they bought a home in Costa Rica

836
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,840
and they kind of go back and
forth between LA and Costa Rica.

837
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,880
I love her.
She was super nice too and fast

838
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,000
right, like you know, she was
like on it.

839
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,920
I remember.
So when you go to get your eyes

840
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,680
done, eyebrows done at
Anastasia, you get like flipped

841
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,360
back in a chair basically and
you're not in a private room.

842
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,480
You're like in a busy space and
I they would try to feel the

843
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,640
line that they would draw.
Do you know what I mean?

844
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,440
Like because the wax there, the
wax there kind of thing.

845
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,880
And like to keep it thicker and
the stencils.

846
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,120
I was not, I did not have a hand
at the stencils that she used to

847
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,320
give out all the time.
But yeah, it definitely.

848
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,760
I had a woman like not even that
long ago be like, are those

849
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,040
Anastasia browsers?
I was like, I can give her

850
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,920
credit for sure about that, but
I did feel self-conscious in the

851
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,880
90s when everyone got so thin
and she's like, you are not

852
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,080
allowed.
I wish she had gotten a hold of

853
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,320
me, I'll tell you that, because
I went super Courtney Cox thin.

854
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,760
But that was so cool then.
So do you think there's a trend

855
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,000
that women are holding on to?
Like, I always think of like the

856
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,400
blue eyeshadow thing when we
were growing up with the women

857
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:57,960
from the 70s who didn't let it
go.

858
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,960
So is there a trend for people
our age that maybe from the 90s

859
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,080
that it's time to say goodbye,
that you still see?

860
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,680
Yeah, there is.
I would say with Gen.

861
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,720
X women, not all, but a lot of
Gen.

862
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:17,400
X women want to still wear full
coverage liquid foundation.

863
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,280
And I'm like, baby, that ship
has sailed.

864
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,280
We got to work on our skin and
we got to lighten up our

865
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,120
foundation.
But if you do want to wear heavy

866
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,160
foundation for special occasions
because it is beautiful in

867
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,000
photograph, not in person but in
photograph, then I need you to

868
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:39,840
put a ton of Vaseline all over
your face first.

869
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,560
I wanted to talk about this, So
what is the difference between

870
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,520
Vaseline and Aquaphor?
OK so I did a deep dive on this.

871
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:52,720
I started with Aquaphor.
Aquaphor has so many ingredients

872
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:56,760
in it and they have lanolin in a
lot of their products.

873
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,600
And my family has a lanolin
allergy.

874
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,480
I have a lanolin sensitivity.
It can make me itchy.

875
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,440
A lot of women can't wear
lanolin, and lanolin also is

876
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,400
comedogenic.
I didn't know that.

877
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:16,240
Vaseline is just 100%
petrolatum, petroleum Jelly

878
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:19,960
100%, nothing added, non
kinetogenic.

879
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,160
So I, I think I did, I used
trying to do Aquaphor I think at

880
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,400
first before I knew that I was
like, and I just got those, what

881
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,680
are those called?
Those lumps under your eyes from

882
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:30,880
it.
You get milia.

883
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,880
I did.
Women do.

884
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,560
So see, that would be like those
things like it doesn't work.

885
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,560
I was like, I don't think I want
to try that again.

886
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,920
Yep.
But it doesn't mean I can't try

887
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,400
it here.
The Vaseline thing, you've been

888
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,520
talking about that a lot too.
I was like oh I want to know the

889
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,280
difference between.
The two I want a Vaseline on

890
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,560
right now because I have, I did
a full beat of drugstore and I

891
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,480
did a heavier application of
liquid foundation.

892
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,840
And so I have a lot of Vaseline
right through here because

893
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,200
that's where all my texture is.
How does it not smudge?

894
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,240
It doesn't move because it's
just an occlusive.

895
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,840
It just sits right there and
then anything you put on it sits

896
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,880
right there.
Just people are like, oh, it's

897
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,520
greasy, it's not grease, It's a
inclusive.

898
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,240
It does not move.
It is brilliant.

899
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,120
All right, I got to try it and
don't get the colored ones.

900
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,000
There's Vaselines with color,
just the regular.

901
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,880
Well, someone asked me can I use
the one with cocoa butter in it?

902
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,280
I'm like, we'll try it, but like
I want just one ingredient and

903
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,560
that's petrolatum.
I love that.

904
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,720
So would you ever mix like it
for women who maybe have a full

905
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:35,240
like a foundation and we're
asking them to lighten up on

906
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:40,400
that, Can you mix in maybe some
moisturizer in to make it a

907
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,360
little thinner or maybe
sunblock?

908
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,240
Can you mix your own kind of
that way?

909
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,680
Oh, for sure, for sure.
But what's happening with our

910
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:52,360
generation is, you know, a lot
of our generation wasn't on

911
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:57,800
TikTok in 20/20/2020 is when we
all had this huge awakening of

912
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,760
skin care.
And I thought I knew skin care

913
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,680
really well as a makeup artist.
I did not know much I could put

914
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,280
in a thimble how much I know
about skin care. 2020 opened my

915
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,800
eyes because now we had
estheticians, dermatologists,

916
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:17,920
skin gurus telling us what we
needed to do and it complete.

917
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,920
I look younger now and not cuz
of my facelift my skin texture.

918
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:26,400
My skin texture looks younger
now than in my 40s and it's

919
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,280
because of skin care.
And so I'm trying to educate

920
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,920
Gen.
X women like work on your skin.

921
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,040
Someone the other day in my
comments said how do I cover

922
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,520
sunspots?
I said I can show you, but four

923
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,920
hours later you're going to see
them again.

924
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,280
They just peek right out through
the makeup.

925
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,160
What you need to do is fade your
sunspots and that's what you

926
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,680
need to do.
And that takes a lot of freaking

927
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,280
hard work and it takes high SPF
every day.

928
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,880
Or they're all going to come
back and women just are not

929
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:59,360
committed yet.
So they want the coverage to

930
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,760
hide all the sun damage?
But then why do I look old?

931
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,480
You can't have it both ways.
What do they say, you can't ride

932
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,400
horses with one ass or
something?

933
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,360
Like that, I like that.
I was, I was thinking that

934
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,680
because like even like as we all
get a little bit of

935
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,800
hyperpigmentation.
I went to Brazil and the last

936
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,840
day I was in Brazil, I was on a
yoga retreat and I was, I had a

937
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,760
drink, I had a lime and the lime
hit my lip.

938
00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:25,320
I got a brown spot of
hyperpigmentation where the lime

939
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,400
hit me like hours before I left.
And that was there for three

940
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,040
years.
I called it Stashy.

941
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,840
It would not go.
I mean, my husband was like

942
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,160
Stashy's back.
I was like, it's like, because I

943
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,760
would put like the fading cream
on, but and then the SPF.

944
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,440
But I think then I don't know,
now you might know better.

945
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:47,640
I don't think American SPF is as
good as other places and I don't

946
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,640
know why.
There's more chemicals, but less

947
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,600
efficiency, effectiveness,
whatever the right yard is.

948
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:59,520
It's because our FDA hasn't
updated our filters in decades.

949
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,000
And so we don't have the same
kind of filters that France,

950
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,640
Korea, Australia.
We don't have the same kind of

951
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:11,520
filters because our FDA is
archaic and they will not update

952
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,600
and there's lobbyists trying so
hard to update our FDA

953
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:21,880
regulations on beauty and SPF
and they, I don't know, I Holly,

954
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,400
that's the age-old question
like.

955
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,120
I know I'm really, I'm hoping
because I used to get one from

956
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,920
France, Avani.
I speak French very poorly.

957
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,840
I might not say that, but now
I'm just very much because I'm

958
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,760
all about Korea.
Like when I was there and you

959
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,640
walk into the pharmacy, the
amount of affordable, yeah,

960
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:40,560
things that you can do for your
eye.

961
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,080
Like everyone came back with all
these things and I came back

962
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:44,800
with the pharmacy.
I can't wait.

963
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,640
Like, so it's still pretty
bright here.

964
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,800
So I don't want to start with my
fading, like for my spots, yet

965
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,160
it's still too bright outside.
I'm too by the window.

966
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,240
I was like, I'll just wait
another month before, but I

967
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:56,680
can't, I can't wait to like
experiment with that.

968
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,280
So would you use the same thing
on your declutage?

969
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,520
Because I think women ignore
this so much.

970
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,040
And this is the part that gets
me.

971
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,840
Yeah, I call it cougar chest.
I definitely have cougar chest.

972
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,880
But I'll be honest, like I'll
take my skin care down my neck

973
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,720
and I might do a little right
here, but I don't take care of

974
00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:16,240
my look at all this sun damage.
I do not.

975
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:18,800
See anything?
Oh well, it's cuz I'm in front

976
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,400
of a window, but I've got like
massive like you and you know

977
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,520
when you start getting a tan and
then you get the white polka

978
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,080
dots everywhere and I asked a
dermatologist what are all these

979
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:29,880
white marks?
She's like, oh that's sun

980
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,600
damage.
You ruined your skin.

981
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,080
Thanks.
That's because we baby oiled it

982
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,160
back in the day.
I just got a new tattoo.

983
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,280
Well, I got a tattoo on my
shoulder, right?

984
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,240
And, and when she took a picture
of it, I saw all these freckles

985
00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:46,720
I had no idea existed.
I was like, Oh, my back is aging

986
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:48,560
now.
That's another thing, when I

987
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,840
look in the mirror I can see a
couple sunspots, but I don't see

988
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,360
freckles when I look in the
mirror.

989
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:59,800
When I look at myself editing
and on camera, it shows every

990
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,280
freckle deep under your skin
that the naked eye can't see.

991
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,560
I freaking hate HD.
I hate it.

992
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,400
I hate it for actresses, I hate
it for makeup artists, and I

993
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,000
hate it for a 58 year old me
because it shows things the

994
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,360
naked eye cannot be.
I kind of feel that way about my

995
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,000
10 times mirror, like because I
can't put makeup on without it

996
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:20,240
honestly.
And I know you're a big

997
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:23,920
proponent and I need it, but
sometimes I am like 2 core.

998
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,320
Like the other part of my
awesome genetics is I'm growing

999
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,960
moles all over my face along
with my acne.

1000
00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:33,360
And I went and saw plastic
surgeon actually grew a cyst in

1001
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,080
the corner of my mouth.
I was like, what is with the

1002
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,960
lumps?
And they're like genetics.

1003
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,040
Yeah, it's like.
You can't.

1004
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,720
I can't attack all those.
I was like, I'm becoming a

1005
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:46,400
witch.
Like literally on the outside.

1006
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,800
The other thing that America
really needs to come up with is

1007
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:54,000
a hand cream with SPF that isn't
tacky, sticky, that's easy to

1008
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,800
put back on because our hands
are the other thing that like

1009
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:57,640
age.
Pretty quick.

1010
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,360
So if you put SPF on your hands
and you're rubbing it right,

1011
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,280
well then you also have it on
your fingertips.

1012
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,200
And then you go to rub your eye
later and it's like, you know,

1013
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,880
and then you're tearing.
And I freaking hate SPF but it's

1014
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,600
a necessary evil I wear every
day no matter what.

1015
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,280
OK, so you are like your
following is huge and we want

1016
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,640
them to keep doing that, but so
is your future.

1017
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,040
It's like, do you do like a
three-year plan A5?

1018
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,880
Like I know you have this
beautiful foundation in your

1019
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,800
faith and in God, in what will
come.

1020
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,720
And I feel like you make
decisions quickly.

1021
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,440
Is there a choice that you're
making in the next year or you

1022
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,800
feel a change coming?
I'm really curious about your

1023
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,960
evolution.
Well, I will say that

1024
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,560
financially, this has been my
worst year in a long time

1025
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,000
because of tariffs, and we're
just seeing less.

1026
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,760
The beginning of the year was
explosive with campaigns because

1027
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,400
everyone knew the tariffs were
coming.

1028
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,360
And so the brands were just, I
mean, I couldn't barely keep up

1029
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,080
with the campaigns.
Now it's crickets.

1030
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,160
So I think we're kind of waiting
to see what's going to happen at

1031
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:00,760
the end of the year.
They could throw a lot of

1032
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,040
campaigns at us.
But I'll tell you.

1033
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:07,160
Yeah, I'll tell you what my plan
is, you know, when I do long

1034
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,360
form, I can be a little bit more
open and honest and speak my

1035
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,400
heart.
But what I've learned from 2025

1036
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:20,040
is mature women are already sad
about aging and how can I make

1037
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,760
them feel good and how can I
encourage them?

1038
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,120
And so going forward, and I
think this is one of the reasons

1039
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:33,240
why I went from like 375 to over
400,000 in two weeks is because

1040
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,680
I'm now happy, Michelle, we're
going to be happy.

1041
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,520
We love aging.
We're going to be so happy about

1042
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,400
aging.
We've got this.

1043
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,880
That's what women want and I'll
give it to them.

1044
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,840
And so I feel like because I've
had this mind shift on, on what

1045
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,000
they really want, what not what
they say they want with their

1046
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:56,080
mouth, but what the analytics
show me, I'm just going to try

1047
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,560
to be their, you know, mature
beauty cheerleader.

1048
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,360
I think that that works for me.
I have one last mascara question

1049
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,000
like I've been this is the one I
can't believe.

1050
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,200
Like I have my little post it.
I can't believe I almost skipped

1051
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,000
it.
OK so I'm a huge tubing girl.

1052
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,080
I love the tubing mascara and
you've been also posting about

1053
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,040
that recently, but I am
confused.

1054
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,840
I can't multi coat.
It just gets so goopy, clumpy,

1055
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,240
it's.
Not cleaving is not meant for

1056
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:24,400
building up.
It's not a build up.

1057
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,160
So but there are two sides to
the wand right?

1058
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:29,520
Like I noticed so I've been
using.

1059
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:34,040
I use thrive because it comes
off so easy for me so I don't.

1060
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,960
I've tried a few others and they
were just too goopy and wet.

1061
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,120
I don't know how to explain it
but I'm like so curious.

1062
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,280
I was like I just the other day
I realized I was like when I use

1063
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:46,840
a regular mascara.
My mine are thicker though so I

1064
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,400
was like am I not applying it
right?

1065
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,880
Is there a different trick?
Do I like turn the brush?

1066
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,200
Do I put like one coat on this
way and one coat with it?

1067
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,160
It's just the way it is.
You're doing everything right,

1068
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,080
OK Tubing just coats your
lashes.

1069
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,120
So it does give it a little bit
of volume and length, but it's

1070
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,600
not a building.
It's not a building mascara.

1071
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,360
And you can't go in with
multiple layers.

1072
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,080
It's one layer.
What I really Have you seen me

1073
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,720
talk about dibs?
I haven't seen that yet.

1074
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:14,840
OK, this is my favorite right
now.

1075
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,640
OK, so Dibs is at Ulta and I'll
tell you what I love is.

1076
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,800
Oh yeah, it's the two light.
It's the two sided 1.

1077
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:27,400
This is brown tubing primer.
What freaking I'm so jealous I

1078
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,360
didn't think of it.
Brown tubing primer on this side

1079
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:34,400
and then this side is a regular
mascara and this can do a lot of

1080
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,640
your building.
Prettiest lashes ever.

1081
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,920
There, I'm going see I won't get
another neutral palette.

1082
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,240
I'll get a different mascara
though.

1083
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,800
Yeah.
And then guess what I do on my

1084
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,080
lower lashes?
I just do the brown tubing and

1085
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,480
that's it.
Because that way it's never

1086
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,520
going to smear a transfer
because it's tubing, and it's

1087
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,000
never going to look like spider
legs because it's brown.

1088
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,840
So my lower lashes just look
soft and pretty.

1089
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,120
Freaking my favorite in the
world.

1090
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,880
But I do love thrive.
Thrive was my first tubing

1091
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,760
ascara and I I love thrive.
I like.

1092
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,160
It because I could get it on
sale like twice a year and then

1093
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,720
I just stock up kind of thing.
I'm the coupon girl.

1094
00:56:11,720 --> 00:56:15,080
Like if I can get it at like the
give me the 350 off at Ulta on

1095
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,280
there on there love.
Ulta points.

1096
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,920
Love Ulta points.
I'm like a little worried.

1097
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,240
My daughter came home the other
day.

1098
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:22,560
She's like, I'm a platinum
member.

1099
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:26,080
I'm like what I know, and she
works.

1100
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,880
It's her money, but until we
want you to be buying that much,

1101
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,520
she's like my setting spray my
this.

1102
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,040
I need my one size.
I need this.

1103
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,480
Oh, the other product that I
love that you talk about is for

1104
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,160
the hair.
Is that bumble and bumble

1105
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,800
texture?
The dry spun texturizing spray.

1106
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,120
Yeah.
And your daughter's probably

1107
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:49,000
buying nails and hair and Soul
de Janeiro body, of course, and

1108
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,080
fragrance like, you know, we're
getting.

1109
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,560
She's not just buying makeup.
So she gets a pass.

1110
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She's all about perfume.

1111
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,480
My daughter is such the perfume
girl.

1112
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,040
My girl, my daughter too.
And look at all this back here.

1113
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,280
That's just a fraction of my
collection.

1114
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,120
I love it.
So OK, Michelle, I end every

1115
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,160
interview, I asking the same
question.

1116
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:09,920
I mean, I could talk to you
forever, but you know, you're

1117
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,920
busy.
So if you came with a warning

1118
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:17,040
label, what would it be?
Do not approach before noon

1119
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,600
until I've had two double
espressos.

1120
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:25,280
Do not feed the bears.
I love that I have a, it's a

1121
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,360
German word.
It's called Morgan muffle.

1122
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,480
Have you ever heard this word?
It is a more it's a morning

1123
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,640
grouch and it basically I have a
mug my husband got me and it has

1124
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,560
a grumpy cat with the word like
just don't talk to me until I'm

1125
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,960
done with the coffees.
That's just not too much to ask

1126
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,960
for.
And my husband, he wakes up so

1127
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:45,880
happy and talk and I'm like.
Wait, how are you so good in a

1128
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,160
trailer though?
You must have to wake up so

1129
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,160
early.
You do.

1130
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,720
And I used to tell God, like, is
this a joke?

1131
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,800
Like, why did you put me at a
5:00 AM call career?

1132
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,200
You know, you just do it.
You just rise to the occasion

1133
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,840
and you just do it.
But I'm not a morning person.

1134
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,880
I love being up late at night
and I like sleeping until nine.

1135
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:07,760
There, I said it.
I like it.

1136
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,880
I admire you more so I know
people want to be pretty, but I

1137
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,080
like the real, so I appreciate
you doing that.

1138
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,400
I'm not a morning person or
night person.

1139
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,200
I'm a napper.
Like I don't in the morning.

1140
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,400
I'm super hyper focused.
I get a lot of work done.

1141
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,840
I probably get more work done in
2 1/2 three hours than a lot of

1142
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,960
people do in days.
I just, I'm just a grinder that

1143
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:27,400
way.
I'm like that.

1144
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:31,480
And then after that, no.
And after 3:00, I'm not the best

1145
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,280
thinker and I want a nap.
I really want a nap.

1146
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:39,280
When I worked at 7th Heaven, the
our production office was on

1147
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:43,000
exposition in Santa Monica.
And we, I was there when we were

1148
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,360
changing.
It was just literally a

1149
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:45,880
warehouse.
I walked into so many nasty

1150
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:47,440
spider webs when we first opened
the office.

1151
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:52,760
But the women's bathroom was
large and there was like a, an

1152
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,840
atrium to it.
And we put a sofa in it.

1153
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:59,600
And so if anyone had a day or a
moment, they would go to the

1154
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,560
bathroom and all the women could
decompress, even like the women

1155
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,360
in the trailers, like, you know,
I was in the production office.

1156
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:09,960
So like anyone could kind of
come in and hide when they

1157
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,600
needed to.
I was a huge napper my whole

1158
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,640
life.
When I got into television, I

1159
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,440
didn't realize that you can't
nap on the job.

1160
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,920
So here I am in the production
trailer with my production

1161
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,560
manager, my production
coordinator, and there's a big

1162
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,040
couch.
And they have on like the

1163
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,000
Florida Gators game because my
line producer was a Florida

1164
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,240
Gators fan.
And I'm like on the couch

1165
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,640
because, you know, I had a 5:00
AM call and I'm on the couch and

1166
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,800
I'm probably drooling and I had
my walkie-talkie in my set bag

1167
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,200
and I'm totally out.
And the executive producer comes

1168
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,680
in and yet they still hired me
for Four Seasons.

1169
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,360
They loved me, but I was a
napper.

1170
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,840
But I'll tell you what, what
changed?

1171
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:52,680
What HRTI went on an HRT patch
like, I don't know, 5354?

1172
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,240
I've never, I really never nap
anymore.

1173
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,840
It gives me energy.
I'm on all the HRTI, had to have

1174
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,440
a hysterectomy and like no one
told me anything after and I

1175
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,520
just like crashed for years and
I finally found a doctor.

1176
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,640
Like I can go to the doctor and
they're like, you just need to

1177
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,360
like exercise more, eat better.
I'm like shut up.

1178
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,880
Like first of all, just stop.
I do the stuff and I'm not a

1179
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:14,760
drinker.
Like I just like my body.

1180
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,360
I can't eat bad food.
My body just doesn't even like

1181
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,840
it.
It's not that I finally found a

1182
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:20,880
doctor.
Actually, I was.

1183
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,520
Mary Haver like on Tiktok when
she's like, this is what you say

1184
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,600
to your doctor and I went to my
doctor and I said that and I

1185
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,760
found a specialist and they did
my blood work.

1186
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,160
They're like, you have the
hormones of a 90 year old.

1187
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,600
Literally, I was like horrified
and I was like pearls, right?

1188
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:37,680
But it wasn't.
So I was like, give it to me.

1189
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,360
So we did all and so that I
guess the side effect is this

1190
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,760
horrible acne.
So I'm like, I prefer to feel

1191
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,600
human and have thought and have
energy and feel like I have

1192
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:50,640
muscle mass again.
And then this is the but I would

1193
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,400
maybe I'll pray on that.
Be like God, OK, we're good.

1194
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,080
I heard you.
I feel, I believe that this can

1195
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,280
go away now and better things
can come.

1196
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,800
But yeah.
And you those never

1197
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,000
underestimate A pimple patch.
They work so well my.

1198
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:08,800
Skin reacts to the adhesive.
I'm allergic to adhesive so

1199
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,320
certain what I know.
I have very sensitive body.

1200
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,760
What about?
The Mario Badescu blemish.

1201
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,840
The pink stuff.
That can help.

1202
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,000
I I mean that before pimple
patches.

1203
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:21,400
That was great.
Yeah.

1204
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:25,280
Listen, Holly, some people just
fall into those anomaly

1205
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:30,160
categories, right.
And like up until HRTI was I was

1206
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:31,680
a napper my whole life and it
was.

1207
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,120
I'm Irish, you know, we sleep.
I don't know what to tell you.

1208
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:38,080
I'll have women say I've tried
every eyeliner in the world and

1209
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,520
they all run on me.
That's your cross to bear.

1210
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,840
Sorry, there's nothing else I
can help you with.

1211
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:48,040
You know, like we all have our
we all come with our cons, right

1212
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,400
And so.
What's the What's the one job

1213
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:54,600
you would never take now?
I really don't enjoy weddings,

1214
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,640
especially in this whole world
of Pinterest and social media.

1215
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,240
I'm glad I'm not in the wedding
game anymore, but I used to

1216
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,560
enjoy it and it's good cash
under the table a lot of the

1217
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,760
times.
But yeah, weddings is something

1218
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,080
I'm asked a few times a year and
I turn it down.

1219
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:11,960
OK, that's good.
Good to know.

1220
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,880
Well, thank you so much for
being part of my podcast and

1221
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,960
spending this time with me.
So if people want to follow you,

1222
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,480
if they somehow don't follow
you, where do you want them to

1223
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:24,480
go?
Yeah, so on Instagram and on

1224
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:29,600
TikTok, I'm the Michelle Spieler
on YouTube I'm mature makeup

1225
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,920
master class.
So I always ask them in like, do

1226
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:35,280
you like deep dives?
Do you want to have long form

1227
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,240
videos or short form?
And you know, usually that will

1228
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,080
dictate where they they follow
me.

1229
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:43,240
Yeah, and I would also say since
I do follow you, that what's

1230
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:46,040
really great about the short
form is if you don't know what

1231
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:49,520
you don't know, if they follow
you on either Instagram or

1232
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,560
TikTok, they can like, oh, and
is a problem I've been having.

1233
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:55,320
I'm so curious to do more
because you do amazing hair

1234
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:58,200
stuff.
You do skin care, you do it all.

1235
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,960
And it always is empowering,
even if you're not just your

1236
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,880
super happy person, you're just
like, I like that just so you

1237
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:10,240
know, and you're beautiful and
that's just inspiring to see and

1238
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,160
watch.
And then once you find a clip

1239
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:13,920
you like, you can always do the
deep dive.

1240
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,720
They're all there and very
doable.

1241
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,920
You're a very good teacher.
So thank you for that.

1242
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,360
I really appreciate that.
Teaching's my favorite.

1243
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,800
I love teaching even more than
makeup, but I mean, thankfully

1244
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,320
they go hand in hand.
OK, thanks.

1245
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:29,600
Thanks for listening to the
Holly Hughes podcast.

1246
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:30,640
We'll see you next week.