She Almost Quit Music. One Conversation Changed Everything. | Tara Connaghan

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Welcome to this episode of the
Holly Hughes Podcast.

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It is where creative people come
to have conversations about

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living a life outside of that
corporate box.

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Today I'm very excited to have
Tara gone again.

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Wait till you hear her.
First of all, her accents.

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Amazing.
She's a highly regarded

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traditional fiddle player and
host of her own podcast, In Tune

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with Tradition, perspectives on
session etiquette and Irish

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traditional music.
Welcome to the show.

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Hello, Holly.
And don't listen to a word she's

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just said.
She's just bumping me up.

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No, it's true.
It's true.

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I love how I'm meeting people
around the world.

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That was very intentional for me
to make sure that I cross

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borders because creative people,
we all have the same little

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quirks.
I'm trying to own that word

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because people used to say that
to me and mean it like, oh,

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you're quirky and in a bad.
Way they just didn't understand

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it was completely outside there.
Yes, they couldn't understand

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anything.
And I'm like, how boring is your

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life?
Like meaning in the and I'm

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really mean that.
I was like, if you can't go

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outside and see faces and things
in the clouds or you can't be

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touched by someone else's
creativity, I think you must be

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missing out on a lot because
like, how long have you been

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playing the fiddle?
You were born.

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It was your first lovey, right?
It was the first thing that went

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into your hand.
No, it wasn't.

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I wish, I wish I could say it
was.

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It was actually the last thing
that went into my hand because I

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started playing the guitar
first.

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Actually, I had a sister who was
a year younger than me and she

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learned the fiddle and I was
learning the guitar at the same

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time.
So she would teach me what she

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had just learned.
So I suppose she was my first

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teacher.
And then I, you know, I never

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really did much with it.
She would teach me what she'd

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done and then I would never see
it.

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I would never practice or
anything.

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It was just as kids, You're
like, oh, I can do that, you

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know, pretended to each other.
But the guitar was my first

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love.
And then I did the classical

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flute and the classical piano.
And then my sister passed away

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and the fiddle teacher that had
been teaching my sister had

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reached out to her mother to see
if she would sell her three

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quarter size fiddle because he
was in need of them.

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And, and I think maybe he
realized it was maybe a bit of a

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touchy subject because she had
been maybe only died a year

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earlier.
So.

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Still a bit touchy.
There is no.

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Yeah.
So I think he maybe said, or

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maybe Tara would like to take it
up as a kind of a I shouldn't

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have said this and this is an
escape route because I'm sure he

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probably saw the distraught on
her face maybe.

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But so she asked me and I was
like, sure, why not get hurt?

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So why not?
And I started and then we

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started with the Suzuki method
was like twinkle, twinkle and

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lightly roll.
And she taught me all them.

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I was like, we don't move on to
something else, something kind

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of pretty soon I'm I'm out of
here, you know, give me Irish

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music, give me anything.
Just do not but give me this

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shit.
I went back to piano as an adult

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but I had to relearn to read
music and I forgot the bass

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Clef.
So like, do you know what I

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mean?
Like I had to count all the

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time.
I was like, I really practice

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hard to learn a pink song.
Just give me one reason.

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Just give me like I Can't Sing.
Sorry, sorry everyone about

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that.
But I was so proud.

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It took me like a month to just
get like into the intro and the

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but I was, I was like, yeah, I'm
I don't think so.

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I don't, I think if I never
stopped, it would have gone.

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But my whole point is I didn't
start with twinkle, twinkle, you

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know, after not playing music
for a really long time.

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Well, he did.
He did.

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He gave me my first Tran tune,
which was, I think it was

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Sacco's cheek.
And I was like, Oh yeah, that's

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all right, I can do that.
And and then quickly I got into

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the next class, which was more
advanced class that had one of

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my best friend's, Denise, in it.
And she was a great fiddle

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player.
So I was like, wow, yay.

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But I was lazy.
I was lazy, definitely.

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You're not supposed to admit any
of this, but I love that you

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are.
I call a spade a spade.

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It's not a big spoon and it's
not something else.

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It's just a spade.
I was lazy because I, I think

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when you're lazy, you discover
what you're good at and you

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focus in on that and maybe it's
efficient.

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That's the magic.
I love that, actually.

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When you're lazy, you discover
what you're good at, but then

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you have to put the effort in to
be really good.

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Yes, Oh, absolutely.
So I discovered that my ear was

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really good that I was like, I
can pick this up pretty quickly.

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So I being very, very lazy,
would get my mother to drive me

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the 30 seconds to the class.
It was like at one end of the

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town we have a small town.
It's at one St.

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Village and so we lived at one
end and then the music class was

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at the other end.
And so it was 32nd Dr. I had

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taped the Chandler beat
beforehand.

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I'll put the tape into the tape
player.

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I would listen to it and I'd
walk in the door kind of half

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knowing it.
So it was kind of, it was

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familiar, but not it wasn't
always 100%.

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I didn't get it great and I
wasn't fooling the teacher.

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So the teacher when I was about
16 then Denise's father brought

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us to a couple of festivals that
were brilliant, you know, with

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musicians that a bit like by
ourselves now, that would be

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going around playing festivals
and things and people were just

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having such a good time.
And I was like, oh, oh, I could

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do this.
I think I could do this.

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So that was around 16.
And I came back to the fiddle

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class the next week on, Oh,
Seamus.

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Oh my God.
I, I, I, I want to learn this

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tune.
I'm sorry.

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I told them the tune I wanted to
learn.

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He goes, oh, yeah, brilliant.
I'll have that for you.

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I'll get that for you.
And so the next week came and he

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didn't give it to me.
And I was like, oh, maybe he

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just had time.
Maybe it took him a bit of time

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to write it out or whatever.
And maybe he just didn't have

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the time.
So the following week, my friend

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Denise is playing the tune.
And I was like, Denise, swear,

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where'd you get that tune?
And she said, oh, Seamus gave it

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to me last week.
And I was like, what?

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Sheamus So I marched up to
Sheamus as a bold 16 year old

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and gone.
Why didn't you give me the tune?

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And he was like, Terry, you
don't practice.

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When you practice, I'll give it
to you.

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And that was a boot up the bum.
I needed that.

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But I love that you like,
followed it because you could

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have just been lazy.
I could have, but I was hooked

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at that stage.
I think you need the hook.

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So if you haven't got the thirst
and the hunger I was hungry for,

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I mean I wanted it and I really
wanted it badly.

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So I was annoyed with him for
about two weeks and I put on the

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CD of the track.
It was, it was an Alton.

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Alton is a brilliant group from
Donegal that play from where I'm

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from and they play lots of film
music and they're just

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brilliant.
So high energy and I really,

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really wanted this Gen.
So I put the CD on and I started

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playing along and it took a
while and it took two weeks.

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I wouldn't even go back to the
music class for those two weeks.

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I was so annoyed.
And then I said he was right.

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I had to eat humble pie.
I had to crawl back with the

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tail between my legs.
I said you're right.

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But I've learned it myself and
it was a good lesson and I

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practiced from then on it.
In fact, it wasn't even that I

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it was an effort or it was
punishment or something.

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It was like the freedom.
It's like I can do anything now

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if I just practice and I just go
for it.

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It was great.
I needed it.

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I needed that boot up the bum.
I think that's the thing about

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any artistic in Denver, right?
There is this drive that like, I

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want to be able to do that.
And then you have sometimes the

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Herculean effort it takes
because I think people don't

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understand practice.
Practice is embarrassing.

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Practice is right.
Like when I think about dancing,

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like if I fall or I I'm not as
good as everyone else, someone's

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picking up faster.
Even now when I take a dance

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class, it's absurd in my brain.
I'm like, I'm not learning it as

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fast as that person or why isn't
my foot going exactly where I

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want it?
And I know it at this point in

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my life.
It just takes me a little longer

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to pick it up.
A little more injuries, a little

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more wear and tear on the body.
But the gumption and the

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termination it takes to get good
at something is so much more

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than people on social media,
especially now with clips that

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just, it looks like, oh, I saw
that and 30 seconds later I am

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an expert at it.
And it's not that.

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And I, I love that he found the
right thing to draw you in and

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keep you hooked.
So for people who don't know,

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what's the difference between a
fiddle and a violin?

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Nothing.
Yeah, that's what I thought.

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Right.
The exact same instrument.

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It's just terminology.
As a folk musician or an Irish

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traditional musician, we
normally use the term fiddle and

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most classical musicians would
use the term violin.

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That's fascinating.
Are those instruments usually

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handed down in family members in
traditional music would be like

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a family plays music and then or
is that just like a myth?

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It could be, yeah, if you're, if
there was family members, my my

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granny was a, an accordion
player or her a Malaysian

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player.
So I have it behind me actually,

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but I can't play it.
It just baffles my brain.

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One, one note when you pull it
and and push it, it has

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different notes each way.
It's just.

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My neighbor played the
accordion.

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Is that strange?
Is.

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That your first time you heard
music?

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I think my house always had
music.

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I can't remember actually.
There's this, this family

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mythology in my house when I was
I was probably two or three,

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like a baby.
I was still a baby and we were

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in in our apartment, and my
mother would play Simon and

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Garfunkel.
Do you know the song Cecilia?

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Yeah.
Cecilia.

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Yeah.
Anyway, wherever I was in that

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little apt, I would run into the
living room and do a little

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dance like it.
Like I could be in the middle of

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something.
And my mom says I would stop and

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I do this little dance where I
go in a circle up and down and.

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And like, it was the Holly dance
at the time and I have a memory

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of running into the living room
at very young age and just being

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so happy.
So I think I was always a

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dancer.
I think I'm actually I became a

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dancer before I became a
musician.

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Did you?
Yeah, it's probably not widely

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known.
Let.

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Me hear, I want, I want to have
the secret.

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Well, I, I started dancing I
think when I was like 4 or 5,

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Irish dancing.
So most like little girls go to

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Irish dancing.
I loved Irish dancing.

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I mean, loved it did.
You do the curls.

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Yeah, yeah.
And the hair.

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Oh God, yeah.
Except now you're not.

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Just send me a picture, I want
to see that.

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I don't know if I have any
pictures.

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I do probably somewhere with the
fish and the makeup.

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Actually, I wasn't really,
really good at dancing.

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I loved it, but I wasn't good.
So I didn't got to didn't get to

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go to all the big fishes where
you needed to wear all the

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makeup.
A fish is a like a competition

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for Irish dancing.
And I didn't get to go to too

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many of them because I just
wasn't good enough.

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I had really good rhythm.
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she'd always showcase off the
best dancers and say, oh, look

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at this a dance year, whatever
step and show off to this person

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or that or the dancing teacher
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She once brought me out to
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also a musician.
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rhythm.
But so she said to grab, grab

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you by the scarf.
Then I go come on out.

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hornpipe step, which is a very

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rhythmical and it's a heavy
dance step where you're wearing

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the the tap shoes.
Yeah, so.

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Oh no, I'm I'm familiar with
Irish dancing.

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I'm in there.
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So I remember it was out of
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to the pub and there was like

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flagstone floor around the fire
or maybe even tiles or it was

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slightly raised.
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your hard web step on that.
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dancing teacher and she said,
now don't listen to this, never

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mind the feet.
Because you had the rhythm, I

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got the.
Rhythm, but just not the feet,

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and that's fine.
So you they say that about a lot

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of people, right?
Like they have they have the

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steps, but especially on the
stone, I bet it sounded amazing.

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You know, later on people say,
oh, she was teaching someone she

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want.
No, no, that's not how you do

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listen to Tara's rhythm.
So it was always the she'd teach

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it to me how she wanted it, and
then she'd get me to teach it to

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the better, the better dancers.
Because that's so funny, I'm

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taking a tap class now.
I started a new tap.

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I know.
And it's the first time I put

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tap shoes back on.
I felt again like a little girl.

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I'm loving it.
And anyone who at any age, by

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the way, if you go walk into a
dance class and they have lots

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of open dance classes for
adults, I highly recommend it's,

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it just reconnects you to some
sort of joy that if you enjoy

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dance and you don't mind like
learning again, it's super fun.

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I think when I was young, it was
the best way I could express

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myself.
I had so many things that I

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couldn't say and that I was
coping with like internally.

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Like nowadays I think they call
it anxiety and ADHD and my dad

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is an alcoholic.
So like I had all these things

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and I didn't even know what they
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So I think it always just gave
me a way to use my body to get

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it out.
That's why I always ask

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musicians, like, where does
music live in your body?

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Because for me, when I feel
music, it moves me from the

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inside out, right?
My daughter can sing, so she

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feels music in a very different
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So how do you feel music?
I think it depends on the mood.

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I mean, I remember times where
I'd be very, very sad or very

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possibly despondent to the rest
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But when I was in music, it was
like, it was like when I was

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playing the fiddle, I was crying
into the fiddle and it was

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coming out and people would say,
wow, you're playing amaze or

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whatever.
And, and I was like, I might not

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have worn it on the outside, but
I was really, really upset.

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It was after like I was really
grieving and I was just pouring

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it into the fiddle, the fiddle.
I mean, I was going through all

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those phases of grief and there
was anger.

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It was all coming out through
the fiddle, coming out through

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the music.
So I so you're just not, you're

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in a different world.
You're not really in the room,

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even though you're in sitting
physically in the room.

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You're just, you're in all the
frustrations.

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Yeah.
And it's all just going.

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So we were doing the same thing,
just a little bit different.

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But I think that's one point
where like that creativity like

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that, we all have that same
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I call it an emotional truth in
that it had to find a way out.

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It had to find a way.
Out, yes, Yeah.

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And I think that's part of the
magic of music, actually.

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It's like why we have our
favorite breakup songs, our

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happy song, our whatever, like
our little playlist on Spotify

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or wherever you're listening.
I think that's the thing about

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music that's singular, right?
Even like I studied African

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dance and then in the drumming
and the krill and all of their

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other instruments, there's
something that comes into my

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body and I'm just like, yes, I
feel that.

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It's amazing.
So for you as the musician, if

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you're not having that emotional
truth, how is it coming through?

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And I think that's how we
connect.

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I love that.
There's a really sad tune that I

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play.
It's a slow air and it's about

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the drowning of it's called
Wachu or Maya Wachu, which is

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either the drowning of Matthew
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And Mary is supposedly the
mother of Matthew who drowned.

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It was a, a young couple that I
suppose around the early 1900s,

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late 1800s and there wasn't have
been a lot of employment or

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anything in Ireland really.
There was a, a young couple from

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Kilkar, another area and Donegal
not far away from here.

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And so there were about 16 and
the girl had access to, I

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suppose, a bit of money for a
passage to get across to

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America.
So they agreed that they would

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both go, but he didn't have the
money yet.

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So he was going to try and save
it up and she was going to send

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him back the money.
And so he was waiting after she

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left and waiting.
And when they were in love and,

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and he was waiting and waiting
and think he waited quite quite

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a long time.
Months and months and months had

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passed and still nothing back
from her.

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So nobody knows whether she
lived or, or maybe she died on

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the way over.
But he never heard from her.

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And he decided he would start
swimming because he couldn't

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afford to passage across.
So we all know what happened

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there.
That's why it's called the

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Drowning of Matthew.
I think there are words for it.

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And it's from his mother's
perspective where it was the

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drowning of her son.
He drowned on his way to try and

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swim to America.
So yeah, when I play that tune,

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I have to go into a really dark
place almost.

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And I'm not aware of an audience
or anything.

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And like, I wouldn't play it in
a session, but if I was on in a

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concert and I was playing solo,
I would definitely maybe play

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that tune.
And I have to go into a place

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and then I have to exit it as
well because we don't want to

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stay there forever.
A friend of mine, her friend of

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mine's in.
It's all right to wallow in that

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because especially if you get an
Arts Council funding letter

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where you just go where they go.
Sorry you didn't get it.

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It feels like a punch in the
stomach sometimes.

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I remember her saying that's
grand, but take that and allow

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yourself to, to sit with it for
one hour, maximum 10 minutes to

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one hour.
And then you move on because

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otherwise you'll just shower
yourself.

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And this.
Yeah, you just sink.

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Yeah.
No, it's.

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Tricky.
I tell people I'm very Moody,

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but I own my moods right.
Because even when I'm writing

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story, if I'm writing something
or I write essays and I'm, I'm

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tapping into that emotional
truth, I can call it grumpy.

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I get grumpy.
But even when my daughter was

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younger, what I did for her was
I told her I was like, sometimes

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I'm just in a mood and you did
nothing wrong and there's

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nothing for you to fix.
But I just need a little bit of

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time and I'll feel better.
And I think just teaching her

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that from a young age has been
really helpful, even as she is a

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teenager.
And sometimes she's like, I'm

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just in a mood.
I'm like, OK, OK, there's

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nothing I could do with it.
And you got to work your way

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through.
I think as a perspective, as a

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very Gen.
X person watching the world

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online and everyone just
justifying having an immediate

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emotion and just thinking that's
truth.

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When it's just something to
process, it means you have to,

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you're aware of something,
something is bothering you, but

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you got to go a little further.
There's more to it than just the

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visceral part of it.
So I am curious how you went

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from this finding love and
telling Sheamus to go bite you

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that to this career that you've
built and like.

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For people who don't know what
session work is, how can you

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explain it to them?
A session, an Irish music

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session, I should say, is it's
just a gathering of Irish

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musicians in a corner of a pub
usually.

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And, and we there are Irish
music sessions around the world

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everywhere.
I think there's like 8485

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countries listening to my
podcast at the moment, which is

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crazy.
It's like, oh, I love that.

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How did they, how did they find
out about it?

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But Irish music is just so
popular all, everywhere.

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I suppose if you think about it,
there's Irish pubs all around

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the world.
Sometimes we don't even care

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whether there's people in the
pub.

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In fact, sometimes we prefer if
there's not because you're just

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playing, you're having like a
musical conversation with your

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friends.
And that's kind of what it is.

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It's just, oh, do you know that,
Jane?

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Oh, and then we start playing.
You're bouncing the music off

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each other.
And to me, I much prefer playing

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the music with people and
bouncing the music off each

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other rather than being on a
stage.

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And if you're, especially if
you're playing solo.

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It feels to me like it's musical
masturbation in front of people

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and it's just embarrassing.
That's fascinating.

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You're so very cool.
That's just being humble.

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I think is it?
I don't think so.

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Maybe it's just like I can play.
I can play at home anytime.

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Like for me, it's about you.
Can't have people just sit and

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pay you to play.
I guess you could.

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Well, you could open the door.
But that's not what turns me on.

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Like it's about what turns me
on.

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And what turns me on is playing
in a session with other people

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that are, that are just as good
or even better than me.

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And that's where I get the
inspiration and I go, Oh my God,

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how care do we note?
It was like I'm almost almost

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orgasmic and.
No, I totally get that.

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So etiquette, why did you start
with etiquette I?

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I would love to know that.
It's one of those topics that's

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a little bit of a taboo topic
because it's behaviour.

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It's about behaviour and people
don't really like to be

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criticized about the behaviour.
It actually started with my

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federal class.
It's all adults and I seem to be

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always helping them, I thought
with their performance anxiety

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about going into sessions
because almost every week your

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teacher at any summer schools,
you'll always hear somebody

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saying oh, I'm allowed to do or
what am I allowed to do?

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Am I allowed have enough tunes?
Am I good enough yet to go into

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the session?
So there's always questions.

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I'm allowed to sit in that seat
and how many tunes am I supposed

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to do?
Is there other tunes that can be

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put with the set?
That's always about so that they

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can get into.
It's kind of like that, this

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prestige, once they feel that
they're good enough to get into

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a session.
So I had asked one of my federal

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students is a retired doctor,
and I asked him if I write this

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book on performance anxiety,
would he be my medical advisor?

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And he said, absolutely.
But what I think we really need

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is a book on session etiquette.
And I said not a fucking hope.

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I said I wouldn't touch that
subject with a barge pole, not

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if I was paid millions.
Never will I ever touch that

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subject.
And he was like, but you know,

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that's what we really, really
need.

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He was like, because the
performance anxiety that we're

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experiencing is mostly about
sessions.

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So if we remove that etiquette,
sort of worry and anxiety and

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get understanding, then we don't
need the performance anxiety.

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We wouldn't have performance
anxiety.

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So he talked me around and I
took him a good few months and

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and I was like, OK, I'll do it.
So I then said I'll write an

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application to the Arts Council
for funding here in Ireland to

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see if I can get funding to
write a book because because I

448
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,840
thought it's going to take quite
a while and I'm not really

449
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,400
working at the moment because
before all of this I had

450
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,720
actually taken over my dad's
construction company when he

451
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,400
passed away quite suddenly.
My brother or sister weren't

452
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,800
interested and I'm just a doer.
I'm like, well, I'll do it.

453
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,480
So I took over the daddy role
for quite a while, for about

454
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,640
9-10 years.
So I'm not afraid of doing

455
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,120
things.
So I would had I'd just finished

456
00:22:57,120 --> 00:22:59,960
that, I'd given up the
construction company and I said

457
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,520
I will apply for the funding.
And it was like a was begging up

458
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,240
the, the, the application form
and saying I don't want it to be

459
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,920
just me, my as in my opinions.
I want it to be the opinions of

460
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,800
the community at large because
anybody can just write a book

461
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,040
from their opinion.
So this has to be a broad

462
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,360
community kind of thing.
So I said, and I thought I would

463
00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:24,120
have been having conversations
with other musicians obviously,

464
00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:26,400
and I might record those
conversations and release them

465
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,840
as a podcast.
Throw away comment.

466
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,480
The epic amount of work a
podcast actually is.

467
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,720
It's like dawn, dawn, dawn.
That didn't dawn on me until.

468
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,560
Afterwards it didn't dawn on me
until I was three months in

469
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,480
personally so.
I get it.

470
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,240
Yeah.
So I, I didn't get the funding

471
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,600
because I hadn't enough written
on the book yet because I'd only

472
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,600
eat like half a chapter or
something.

473
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:50,880
So they said you don't have
enough written.

474
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,200
So I started releasing some of
the conversations.

475
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,480
I did a kind of a big launch and
said I'm going to launch a

476
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,880
podcast.
And, and then it just took over

477
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,040
my life.
As you would probably attest to

478
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,640
as well, it takes over every
waking moment and probably

479
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:05,720
you're sleeping moments as well.
Oh.

480
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:11,040
Yeah, yeah, I know.
And then and then you're always

481
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,160
like, oh, then there's the
marketing of it and there's the,

482
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,560
it's like a circle of work,
right?

483
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,680
And then you're like, but with
my real work, what happened to

484
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,080
that?
Like, and then I have to really

485
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,800
make myself not work on some
days because most other people

486
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,480
don't work.
But I also think that's a

487
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,040
creative life, right?
Like we don't have a normal

488
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,240
schedule and we can have fits
and starts and sick like these

489
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:39,080
successes and then not but one
of your successes, or should I

490
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,560
say several because you are, I'm
flipping my hair.

491
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,040
If anyone is missing the video,
you're missing out.

492
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,400
But Miss Harriers, you've won
awards for your podcast.

493
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:50,960
I haven't even applied for
anything.

494
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,920
I'm just a chicken, honestly.
But now you've inspired me and

495
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,560
I'm going to, I think I should
go forward too.

496
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,320
Why not, right?
Yeah, I wish I had them here to

497
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,840
like show you, but actually they
were just a prototype at the

498
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,160
time.
So I have them ordered and they

499
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,800
will be ready.
I've been nominated for a Shorty

500
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,240
award as well, which is pretty
cool.

501
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,760
I'm, I'm really excited, very
excited.

502
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:16,160
So it did win 5 awards, which is
can't believe it at the New York

503
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,040
City Podcast Awards.
So going over in May and

504
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:21,960
hopefully the awards will be
ready then.

505
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,920
And I have 3 audience Choice
Awards and two Libby judged

506
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,520
awards.
So the audience one, one of the

507
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,680
audience trophies will be going
to my local pub where the

508
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,400
session is and they're all
excited.

509
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,080
So we're going to have a big
night when that when I come

510
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,040
home, will you?
Post pictures of that I want to.

511
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,640
See.
Oh well, they'll be on my

512
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,360
Facebook.
I'll be like, I wait, so you're

513
00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:45,480
on Facebook mostly.
I'm on Facebook and Instagram

514
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,840
and LinkedIn.
If you're at a transition point

515
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,160
in your life and you're
wondering how do I go from point

516
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,520
A to point B?
I'm tired of being defined by

517
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,880
what other people think of me.
Read my book Real, Not perfect.

518
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,920
How to become your happy,
authentic self.

519
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,040
It's a step by step guide to
help you reclaim your voice,

520
00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:04,840
your passion and yourself worth.
Available at all booksellers and

521
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,400
in the links below.
So my question goes back to your

522
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,320
music and your session.
Now that you have this thriving,

523
00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:14,680
award-winning, multi multi
award-winning podcast because

524
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:19,520
you got a hype up people doing
the work I want to know about,

525
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,640
what's the one mistake that
everyone has to make in order to

526
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,080
learn it that you can't warn
them about?

527
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,400
I think they need to need it.
They need to want it enough.

528
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,080
I and I can't give them that.
So if they like, they don't

529
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,640
really want it.
Like the way I wanted to learn

530
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,400
the music or the way you want to
do.

531
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,680
We all have something that is
like, we've been hooked.

532
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:46,160
And if we don't have that hook,
then you're just coasting along.

533
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,760
I think that's what it is.
You're kind of like, oh, I'd

534
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:49,880
like to do that.
Yeah.

535
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,440
And there's lots of things I'm
like that the Irish language.

536
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,600
I mean, it embarrasses me that I
don't speak the Irish language

537
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,840
enough or that I can't do it
enough.

538
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,680
We learned it at school for 14
years and we still can't talk

539
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,520
it.
Yes, it's disgraceful.

540
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,360
Letters.
You have a lot of letters.

541
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,440
OK, So they have to want it.
And is there like a most

542
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,360
embarrassing thing you've ever
seen anyone do?

543
00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:11,880
Like I want to know the good
juicy one.

544
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,280
Like someone do they just get
too drunk?

545
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,120
Like are they too pissed or or
do are you drinking while you're

546
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:19,200
playing?
Is it like social too or are you

547
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,200
really focused on the music?
Oh no, it is very social.

548
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,840
I mean, that's the whole point
of it is that it's social.

549
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,360
And so half the time you're, you
forget that you're even playing

550
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:30,640
music sometimes because you're
maybe you, you've played a tune

551
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,360
and then you've, you sat and
you've chatted and you're just

552
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:35,960
talking about because you've
maybe haven't met your friend in

553
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,400
three weeks or something.
You're like chatting away.

554
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,880
Oh, I met so and so.
Oh, and then you're like, oh

555
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,840
geez, we better play a tune.
And then you might, you might

556
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,320
play for like 2 hours non-stop.
But it kind of, it's supposed to

557
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,520
be a nice kind of chilled out
environment.

558
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,200
Although I think it does change
when you're maybe paid as well.

559
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,280
So if you're there, it's almost
like you're on the clock.

560
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,320
Then you're, there's a more of a
pressure.

561
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,040
You're like, well, the bar's
paying me.

562
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,880
So therefore they need to make
money.

563
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,480
So I can't be sitting here
talking because I can't be

564
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,280
paying me to talk.
And that's fine.

565
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,040
But it just puts a different
pressure on things.

566
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,640
And I sometimes say to the the
local pubs and things maybe

567
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,840
don't pay me.
I don't want to be paid for that

568
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,160
because I just want to be able
to enjoy it and it'll be under

569
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,000
pressure then so, but I'll be
there.

570
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,280
Wrong thing to say.
No, but to me, music is the

571
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:20,320
soul.
It's a part of my.

572
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,240
Soul No, I get it, I get it.
But we have things to pay for

573
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,240
because your empire is starting.
And then I will I, I will be

574
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,520
your friend in the background
saying, Tara, how is your empire

575
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,000
today?
And that will be my text to you.

576
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,720
How's how is it?
Because I want to cheer you on.

577
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,240
I want, I want to dance in the
background.

578
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,120
I will learn the Irish dance.
I'm there, I'm there.

579
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,480
I want that.
I think you should maybe accept

580
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:50,200
it as an offer of partnership
instead of being paid.

581
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,840
Think of it as that.
I think that lanes.

582
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,160
Easier for you.
I actually heard somebody, I

583
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,200
read something in a Facebook
group today about podcasting

584
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,920
that somebody was asking for how
do you look for sponsorship?

585
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,760
And one person said, once I
change the word to partnership,

586
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,240
I seem to be able to see it
differently.

587
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,760
And I was like, wow, I love
that.

588
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,440
So twice in the one day.
Must be.

589
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,520
Partnerships is the way to go
forward.

590
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,600
Partnerships, yeah, I think, I
think that way because I think

591
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,840
you invite people in, right?
You her lovely individual,

592
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,640
right?
And you're easy to get along

593
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,400
with and you're, you can make
some good music.

594
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,120
So that's all the wins.
Win, win, win.

595
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,440
So yeah, I think you should
enjoy the partnership because

596
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,880
also if you always say no,
they'll feel awkward.

597
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,680
Yeah, that's true.
Or they'll take advantage of

598
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,280
you.
Either way, that's not really

599
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,800
what you're going for, so.
OK, what about?

600
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:54,600
OK I'm going to ask for some
advice now I I'm really scared

601
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,320
to do video.
OK, of what?

602
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,200
As in my podcast, I record the
same as we do here on video, but

603
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,680
then I extract the audio, I edit
the audio and then I put the

604
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,720
audio out and I just can't do
the video bit.

605
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:16,880
I look I totally 100% a billion
times understand that I am not

606
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,680
comfortable in front of a
camera, but I am not looking at

607
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,400
me, I'm looking at you.
So that's how I get over it.

608
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,000
And then when I have to watch
myself back, I'm like, why is my

609
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,640
hair sticking out like that?
Why didn't I like when I when I

610
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,760
become rich and famous and I get
hair and makeup, I can't wait

611
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,200
for them to like, what is this
curl like?

612
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,360
What is this like?
What just anyone else care?

613
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,000
And if you're paying attention
to that, then I think you're

614
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,320
missing the greater message.
I think seeing myself aging that

615
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,320
and no filtered like that is can
be hard.

616
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,320
I want to see you play your
expression, who you are, your

617
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:51,960
personality.
Like I've listened to your

618
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,400
podcast, but I'd seen your face
first.

619
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,520
Yeah, right.
So now I know a little bit more

620
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,000
about you.
So I think you're beautiful and

621
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,400
I think you should do it.
Do you know what I'm just from

622
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,280
what you've just said, I can
hear like it's what I'm teaching

623
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,920
others.
It's the I'm not an ego.

624
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,920
Get on my way.
Yes.

625
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,040
It's internal.
It's all this internal.

626
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,240
Oh, and there's the bags and
then I'd have to do makeup.

627
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,600
It's just excuses.
It's ego.

628
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,400
It's ego.
My ego is worried, that's all.

629
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,640
For sure I saw a recent picture,
me and my friends got matching

630
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:33,040
tattoos and where mine is is
it's on my shoulder.

631
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,680
And my mother doesn't know about
that one but now she does

632
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,000
anyway.
So when my friend came to sorry,

633
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,040
my friend came from Copenhagen
and we took a picture of our

634
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,520
matching tattoos and hers is
like on her wrist.

635
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,120
And I saw this photo of my back
and I am covered in freckles I

636
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,480
never knew I had right because
I'm aging right.

637
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,000
So like you have all your little
spots coming out.

638
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,040
So I was like, that is the
strangest thing to have an ego

639
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,520
about.
What are all those freckles?

640
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,800
What is that?
I think if we maybe get more

641
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:05,360
honest about it, it would like,
it's a good thing I'm I'm vain

642
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,720
enough that it bothers me.
Like do I want to save money to

643
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,560
do whatever I do?
But I think at one point we have

644
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,560
to accept who and what we are.
I really try, but it's it's a

645
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,840
struggle.
The magic of you is all those

646
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,560
things.
I think the magic is all of your

647
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,840
story and the history of your
family and that you step up,

648
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,800
that you step up.
So why not be seen if you're the

649
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,240
one stepping up?
Now if you could tell me that,

650
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,120
because people are always
telling me I should do speaking

651
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,680
gigs, but you put me in front of
an audience alone with a mic and

652
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,200
I have nothing to say.
But if you sit next to me, I

653
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,160
could talk for hours like I I
can't.

654
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,920
That hump is something that I
hope to get better at.

655
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,120
Why don't you just speak on the
floor?

656
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,320
Don't get up on the stage to
speak on the floor.

657
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,960
That would be lovely.
I guess I don't know really what

658
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,160
message I want to share yet.
Bradley, for a long time I was

659
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,120
like teaching how to heal from
your past and don't let your

660
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,840
past define you.
That is like a huge part of my

661
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,040
own personal journey, like
things that I've overcome.

662
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,600
But what do I want to say now?
A lot of healing gurus who are

663
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,560
like self-care people.
I know them or I know about them

664
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,960
behind the scenes.
And so I don't want to be

665
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,440
associated with that exactly,
but they're killing it.

666
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,680
And I'm like, how are they doing
that?

667
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,520
I have so much to say.
I don't know where to start.

668
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,600
Do you know what I mean?
As a keynote speaker or

669
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,680
something.
OK, Well then you're going to be

670
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,560
one of the keynote speakers for
this conference because that.

671
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,880
Now you made me sweat like the
second you said that.

672
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,960
My pits are sweating like see.
So we'll help each other with

673
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,000
this.
Yes, we will.

674
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,800
Help each other because again,
two good musicians make more

675
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:46,080
music. 2 Powerful people make
other people feel good.

676
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,840
We can use our power for good
and not always bad.

677
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,040
The whole is greater than the
sum of its parts, yes.

678
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,520
Yeah.
Totally for everything.

679
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,720
I re met a woman at Hagana
University with and she went on

680
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,080
to be a very big famous person
in broadcasting and we

681
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:07,680
reconnected briefly and she said
what I remember about you was

682
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,560
you were good, but you always
stepped back.

683
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,360
You always let other people,
right?

684
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,040
So that was very much me
forever.

685
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,639
So I am not 100% comfortable
even though I, I think people

686
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,920
can't believe this about me, but
it's really true.

687
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,320
All those eyes, I'm an
introvert.

688
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,159
That's a lot of eyes.
That's a, and I feel all that

689
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:32,639
energy, right?
As an intuitive.

690
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,320
So that's a lot of eyes and a
lot of energy.

691
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,520
It feels like this.
So I, I, I don't want to

692
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,080
disappoint.
And any time that I've gone to

693
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,920
do public speaking, so far in my
vast career of things I've done,

694
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:50,880
I haven't enjoyed it.
I haven't felt supported by

695
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,440
anyone backstage and coming from
person who used to support

696
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,360
people.
So I think that's why I guess

697
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,240
I'll have to create the
environment.

698
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,840
That's really interesting.
Now what you said about the lots

699
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,400
of eyes and, and stepping back,
I always step back and let

700
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:11,400
others because I keep thinking I
don't need the, the visibility

701
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,800
or of having to be the person.
If somebody else wants that

702
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,760
visibility, I'll let somebody
else have it.

703
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:17,840
That's fine.
I'm not.

704
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,920
I don't love to be.
I'm the owner of that or I'm,

705
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,280
you know, I feel a little bit
more ownership of over the

706
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,080
podcast definitely, because it's
totally me from scratch.

707
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,040
That's well, apart from my muse
who pushed me into it, my fiddle

708
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,520
student.
Yeah.

709
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,280
I think today's a big change day
for both of us.

710
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,680
I can't wait when this airs in
the summer, like July, August.

711
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,440
I can't wait to see what we've
made happen.

712
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,520
By then, how many awards will we
have gotten?

713
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,160
Well, yeah, well, now I guess I
have to submit, but they are

714
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,640
pricey.
Can we say they are?

715
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,560
Where does that money go?
Do you get it money at the end

716
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,160
or do they just paying the
judges?

717
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:58,120
I presume that events are quite
expensive as well, so they have

718
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,320
the the process.
It is probably a money spinner

719
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,280
for some of them.
It's probably how they earn

720
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,920
their money.
So they are quite pricey.

721
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:09,360
I have put it aside as it's a, a
marketing must because even

722
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,360
though I am a musician for the
last 35 years and, and

723
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,120
traditional music for the last
35 years, I, I need to get it

724
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,080
out there as well and I need
people to trust me.

725
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,480
So I'm seeing that as a trust
thing, a trust building

726
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,120
exercise.
I'm going to do it.

727
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,920
Are you going to do a webby?
I did I apply, I applied for one

728
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,200
before before Christmas and I
didn't get nominated because I I

729
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,440
was only still started.
So I had now I have a lot more

730
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:35,960
since then.
I was like, oh, if I had only

731
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:38,440
known about this.
There's, there's music schools

732
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,800
in the states who have set up
podcast clubs.

733
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,200
Do you not like a book club?
Shut up.

734
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,440
To listen to, you know how you'd
normally get a book and you read

735
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,200
it for the week and then you
meet up and discuss it.

736
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,280
They've now set up podcast clubs
to listen to my podcast, an

737
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,240
episode a month and then they
meet up and discuss it.

738
00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:58,480
It is crazy.
How did you even?

739
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,800
Learn about that.
That's amazing.

740
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,080
Because they contacted me to see
would I be OK with it?

741
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,000
And I was like, what I thought
they said.

742
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:06,960
I thought they meant, oh, they
were going to listen to my

743
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,600
podcast along with all the
podcasts.

744
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,160
Would they mind if mine was
included in it?

745
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,320
And I was like, oh, yeah, of
course you can include mine.

746
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,840
And he's like, no, it's not like
to include yours.

747
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,200
We're actually just taking one
episode from yours every month.

748
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,640
It's like.
That would that would make me

749
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,280
cry.
I think what he was saying is

750
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,160
that these kind of behaviours
that are the norms that are

751
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:30,120
accepted a general sort of how
to behave in a session, They've

752
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,960
been saying it for years to the
students.

753
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,600
And the students are like, yeah,
yeah.

754
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,480
But you know, who are you?
You're you're American.

755
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,560
You're not Irish, blah, blah,
blah.

756
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,960
They're like, wow, actually
Irish people are saying this

757
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,240
with Irish accents.
Oh, my God.

758
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,680
And so everybody's gone.
Oh, so this is actually right.

759
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,480
This is real.
This is not just grumpy people

760
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,120
saying, oh, you're not supposed
to do this, you're not supposed

761
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,360
to do that.
And Irish people are.

762
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,960
So we won't say anything out
straight.

763
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,440
We're so indirect.
It is painful.

764
00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:00,120
And it's that's how we act.
If we say something direct, we

765
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,800
either feel like we've got
notions like who does she think

766
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,360
she is?
We'd hate to offend people as

767
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:05,320
well.
Yeah, arrogant.

768
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,680
We hate arrogance.
We hate being boastful.

769
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,200
Oh my God.
That's why we're all kind of

770
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,360
like shy and kind of not.
We're not maybe shy shy, but

771
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,440
we're kind of like, that's why
we give others the credit and

772
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,040
things because we just like, ah,
no, it's glad you take it.

773
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,960
No, it's OK.
It's OK because I don't want to

774
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,280
offend you or I don't want to
put you out and that's why.

775
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,040
You're saying no to the money at
the pub.

776
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,920
Yes, I know.
And you know what?

777
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,440
Can you wait?
I I call, I want the American

778
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:37,400
Irish hybrid etiquette thing.
It's OK to take the money, no?

779
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:43,640
Please please fund me.
Two hands out.

780
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,280
Thank you.
Please Sir, can I have some

781
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:47,040
more?
Some more.

782
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:51,120
I love that.
So I would love to ask you my

783
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,480
favorite question, which is how
I end each episode, which is if

784
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,280
you came with a warning label,
what would it be?

785
00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:02,920
I just read this just about 1/2
an hour ago before we started.

786
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,000
If I'm really really really
tired.

787
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,080
If I have a bit of sleep
deprivation.

788
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,280
As a musician, you sometimes
suffer from sleep deprivation

789
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,520
because you're playing late at
night and then if you get up

790
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,240
early the next day or yeah, or
you've maybe been to a festival

791
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,560
for maybe 5 days, three days to
seven days or 10 days in a row.

792
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,400
And when I'm suffering from
sleep deprivation, I'm likely to

793
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,160
say anything.
My filter is completely dropped.

794
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,280
Yeah.
I, this is the reason why I've

795
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,200
done the podcast and why I've
set up my, the podcast in tumor

796
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,480
tradition because it's like
cathartic to say I'm sorry for

797
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:45,080
what I've done to some people.
I'm sorry for saying something.

798
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:50,920
Yes, if I'm tired, I, my, my, my
temper goes from zero to 100 and

799
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,160
very short time.
And I'm not like that as a

800
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,320
normal person, ever.
I don't know.

801
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,960
I've heard about those Irish
tempers.

802
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,440
Now, now.
If they're all sleep deprived

803
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,800
ideas, oh God I have turned
around to a person in a session

804
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,480
and it was.
Bear in mind it was day 10 of a

805
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:13,080
festival and so we you can feel
when you're exhausted, you're

806
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,520
almost like having an outer body
experience because you're so

807
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,880
tired and every cell in your
body is exhausted.

808
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,400
And so there was a guy playing,
I take the word playing back.

809
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:29,560
There was a guy with a fiddle in
his hand and normally he

810
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,000
wouldn't he wouldn't be haired
because he's pretending to play.

811
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,080
So he he's putting his hands up
and down the fiddle and

812
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,280
pretending to play, but there's
no rosin on his bow, so you

813
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:41,560
wouldn't hear him.
So that's OK.

814
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,400
It's harmless and it's it makes
him.

815
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,120
See there?
That's annoying me.

816
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,760
It makes him feel good,
obviously, but he's part of.

817
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:53,160
It #101 don't do that.
And maybe he gets a few free

818
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,480
pints and that's a way of
getting a couple of free pints,

819
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,800
maybe at a session, because
sometimes you get free pints.

820
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,480
Not always, not, not always
nowadays, but you used to get

821
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,680
free pints quite a bit.
And so he was doing this,

822
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,760
sliding the hand up and down the
strings, whatever.

823
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:09,640
And somebody must have put rosin
on his bow because all I could

824
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,000
hear and he was directly behind
me, like right behind, right at

825
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:18,280
my shoulder.
And it was like, it's the

826
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,120
hallway through the session.
And I just at one stage I went,

827
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:28,960
what the fuck are you doing?
I can't believe it.

828
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,480
Look, she's bright red if you're
not watching the video, she just

829
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,400
turned bright red from second
hand embarrassment and just

830
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,880
remembering that we've all had
that moment.

831
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,800
Oh my God.
I even feel it.

832
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:45,480
Oh my God I've had so bad.
There's a difference at

833
00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:49,000
professional versus you're doing
it for your enjoyment, right?

834
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,920
So like, I cannot be the best
dancer anymore.

835
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,600
Or I could dance at whatever
level I am at and I can love it

836
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,480
and I love love it.
But am I getting on stage with a

837
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,800
professional?
No, no, no, I'm not.

838
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,160
I'm not because I can't keep up
and I can't do any of that.

839
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:09,320
And it's OK to love something
and have a hobby and not be the

840
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:10,480
best.
That is OK.

841
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:14,840
But what we're saying is don't
piss hair off and can't play

842
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,320
after, you know, 10 days, 10
days, rigorous work and go.

843
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,840
I love that.
It's the worst.

844
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,800
I think that you're making like
those horrible little hairs on

845
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:35,080
the back of my head, No?
Do you know the kind of the time

846
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,680
before that you can just feel it
beforehand where it's building

847
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,720
off you?
Hear the bow like being pulled.

848
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:42,920
Can't you hear that?
Yeah, I think you can.

849
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,800
I think you can because your
head is full of music.

850
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,880
So yeah, actually that's one
reason why I haven't recorded a

851
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,720
solo album, because I can hear
the bow, the hairs touching the

852
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:56,080
string and it and it great to me
and I can everybody else not

853
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,760
hear that.
That's annoying.

854
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,120
Most people can't.
Yeah, so maybe I should just

855
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,320
record an album, but.
This podcast and I want this

856
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,400
conference to have and you've
gave me things.

857
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,760
I gonna finish the book you're
gonna finish.

858
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,800
And my.
You'll start yours.

859
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,400
I can send you encouragement.
Did you get a word?

860
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,240
Just one word on the page is a
win.

861
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,520
Want to say thank you, Tara, for
coming and being a guest on the

862
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,880
Holly Hughes Podcast.
You can tell people why I'm so

863
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,160
excited to have her here and why
I am so glad we connected

864
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,080
because I don't know.
I adore her.

865
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,640
And one day we'll meet.
Now I have a new goal.

866
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,080
So TuneIn, where do you want
people to find you?

867
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,960
They can find me on
www.sessionetiquette.com and the

868
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,720
podcast is there forward slash
podcast or on Spotify, where

869
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:44,240
else?
Apple, any of the podcast,

870
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:46,400
pocket casts, all those kind of
things places.

871
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,960
And you can contact me through
the website as well.

872
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,200
There's also questionnaire there
for anybody who has if they're

873
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,760
in Irish music sessions or
struggling to go to an Irish

874
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,480
music session.
So put their challenges in that

875
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:00,800
questionnaire.
There's it's just a a

876
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,200
questionnaire with a few
different questions on what the

877
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:07,120
challenges are.
I've also go to start, this is

878
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,400
the bit that I'm worried about
start answering some of the

879
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,920
questions because there are
hundreds and hundreds and

880
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,840
hundreds of questions and I'm
going to start addressing them

881
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,000
because I only usually ask
guests 2 questions.

882
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,080
And so it'll take me forever to
get through all the questions.

883
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,560
And so I need to do the video.
I'd like to do it as a video

884
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,400
kind of series where I answer
the questions.

885
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,200
I've been saying I'm going to do
this since last November.

886
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,200
No, we're good.
We're good.

887
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:32,920
It will.
It'll be happening before this

888
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,320
comes out.
Excellent.

889
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:35,440
Thank you so much.