Speak Easy: Voice Actor, Speaker and On-Screen Talent Brian Lafontaine Talks About Using Your Voice to Stand Out from the Noise

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Thank you for joining us today
at the Holly Hughes podcast.

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Today I have, I'm really excited
about speaking with Brian

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Padgett because your career is
not only an actor and a

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storyteller that you speak on
your website about dealing with

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hecklers and the like, which I
want to get into, but you also

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help people step into their own
spotlight.

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And as a TEDx speaker and
knowing how exceedingly

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uncomfortable that experience
was for me, I'm so excited to

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talk with someone about all of
that because that's quite a

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journey.
That's quite a journey.

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So tell me, how did it all
begin?

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Like, why acting for you?
Why, like when you were 8 and

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you saw, you know, that Dunkin'
Donuts commercial, you were like

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me.
I want that.

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I want the donut and the coffee.
I it wasn't a Dunkin' Donuts

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commercial, I think it was.
It was just more from watching

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actual TV shows or movies and
seeing people on there and just

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thinking, like, how cool is
that?

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Like, they get to do that.
They get to tell these stories.

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Even as a kid, like my brain
kind of worked that way.

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And I was the, you know, I was
the entertainer in my family.

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I was the dinner table comedian.
I was the, I was the tension

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breaker, you know, middle child
syndrome, whatever you want to

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call it, being the third of
five.

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Yeah, I was the one.
Oh.

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Third of five.
That's impressive.

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Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.

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I don't know who it's impressive
for.

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It's for me because I just think
of my body doing that.

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I think that's where my brain
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It's like, wow, she's good.
Wait, where did you grow up?

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Like where?
Where in the world?

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What influenced?
You Where in the world did you

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grow up?
I'm from Rhode Island, the great

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state of Rhode Island.
Yes, the tiniest state in the

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country.
That's fascinating to me.

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So, so you speak of, of acting
as storytelling.

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I've never really heard another
actor say it that way before,

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honestly.
And I was in LA for 18 years.

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I've never, I never heard
someone do that.

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So I'm fascinated by that and
your interpretation of that and

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how you take story and then
recreate it as a character.

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Good God.
I know.

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Well, I mean, it's, you know,
it's, it's more applicable for

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theater than it is for film and
television especially, you know,

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in the level that I've worked at
in film and TV, which is on, you

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know, the lower level.
Let's just be honest, I've never

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been, you know, really above the
credits.

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I'm not the guy that you're
tuning in for necessarily.

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I'm not the guy that you're.
Working actor.

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I have been a working actor for
a very long time.

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You know, as as loose as that
term is, yes, that has been my

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entire career for the past, you
know, 25 years.

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I don't think you should
belittle that.

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This is like a big thing.
When I first landed in LA, we

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were talking about like when you
got your like, not that I ever

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was in front of the camera, not
my cup of tea, not I'm not that

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I could dance, but I couldn't
like no mark, speak words, not

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move my hands like this.
All of the above bad.

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All of the above bad.
Well that reminds me we had I

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worked with someone rather
famous now who was so bad at

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hitting their mark we had to put
a stack of sandbags so she would

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literally hit the sandbag and
stop.

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But anyway, I won't mentioning
because.

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Everyone.
Really.

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Likes her?
Did everyone of us start with

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this?
Editing, baby, editing.

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So what is all there for good
lighting and editing?

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I think she was pretty enough
that people didn't really care,

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honestly.
But we would talk, especially

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when I was working with the DGA,
which for people who don't might

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not know is the Directors Guild
and the trainees and anyone who

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got to sit background.
Helping people get their SAG

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card, even through extra work or
being a day player is a big,

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it's a big deal and not that
many people actually survived to

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do it.
So I I would never downplay a

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day player.
Right.

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What I was just ultimately
getting at is that, you know,

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coming in for a scene or a few
scenes or just a couple of

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episodes, there's, you know,
you're always a part of the

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story and you're always telling
a story in some way.

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Even if it's just that one
scene, that one moment, there is

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still a storyline in that
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Otherwise, why have it in there?
There's no point of having it in

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there.
But it's been I haven't had as

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many occasions on camera to
truly have that full arc from

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start to to be a bigger part of
the production where, you know,

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you really do help move the
story along for everyone.

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So that's why when I say, you
know, storytelling more

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applicable to theater for me,
because once the, you know, the

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lights go up or the curtains
open or whatever and you're on

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stage, you're there until either
happy or sad ending.

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So you get to go through that
whole, you know, emotional

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journey every night as opposed
to, like, you know, with film

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and TV, it's like, OK, we're
capturing this moment today.

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We're going to go back and
capture three moments before

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that moment tomorrow.
It's impossible.

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Put it all together and they'll
never know the difference.

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They'll never know.
So when was the first time you

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stepped on stage?
How'd you know?

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Like that bug really got you?
Well, I mean, first time I

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stepped on stage theatrically
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It was when I did, you know, my
first play.

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The first time I stepped on
stage though, was when I was

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doing stand up comedy.
I started out doing stand up.

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That was my introduction into
show business I had gone to.

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And I've told this story a bunch
of times, but I'm happy to share

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it again with you.
I went to Catawba College in

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Salisbury, NC on a golf
scholarship, a very small golf

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scholarship.
What was your handicap?

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Fake my handicap was phony.
My handicap was illegitimate.

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It was made-up and it didn't
take long for them to find out

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they're like, oh, you suck at
golf.

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I I was I was a single digit
handicap back in the in, but I

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was never North Carolina good.
I was never North Carolina.

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Good you.
Were Rhode Island good?

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I was a.
Competition smaller.

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Statement was Rhode Island.
OK?

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You know, I wasn't even Rhode
Island good, but I was

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definitely not North Carolina.
Like you, you know, the barista

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at Starbucks is like, you know,
a scratch golfer, you know, like

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it's amazing how many people
play here and play insanely

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well.
So when I got down there, they

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were going, what are you doing?
Get out of here.

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So yeah, they kicked me off the
team, took my scholarship back

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and I decided to go into stand
up comedy because that's a

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natural transition.
Obviously.

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Student athlete stand up,
someone's calling me.

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It's a scam likely.
So we're going to delete that or

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silence that.
Yeah.

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So that was when IA comedian
came on campus one weekend and I

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was had become kind of the house
MC for the student activities

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committee.
So I was just introducing the

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acts like ladies and gentlemen,
Holly Hughes and the the the

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staff member who was the
director of student activities.

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I think he not, I think he saw
that there was something there

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and he would always try and kind
of like nudge the comedians or

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performers who would come on
campus and be like, you know,

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Brian's going to be emceeing you
and Brian, Brian, Brian and I

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had a conversation with one of
the comedians who came on one

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weekend and I made this offhand
joke and he said, if you don't

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say that on stage tonight, I'm
stealing that joke from you.

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So it was really kind of, you
know, challenge dropped sort of

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thing.
So I had to decide, you know, am

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I going to be courageous enough
to step on stage in front of all

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my classmates, people that I go
to school with, people that I

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see every day of the week that I
live with eight months out of

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the year, and give them an
opportunity to truly see me and

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hear my thoughts, my ideas, my,
you know, my twisted sense of

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humor.
My hands are getting sweaty the

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more you talk about that.
I'm just like what?

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I mean, you know, there's
nothing harder than stand up.

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I don't care what anybody says.
I argue with you all day long.

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There's nothing harder than
stand up because you have one

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goal and one goal all day.
And that's to make people laugh.

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And if it doesn't go, then
you're the you're all by

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yourself.
If you succeed in stand up, it's

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because of you.
If you don't succeed in stand

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up, it's because of you.
There are no really other

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outside factors.
The whole like, ah, the audience

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was dead, maybe more dead than
the previous ones, but they

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didn't show up there to have a
crappy time, you know, and.

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They're drinking and.
They're drinking.

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So it's, you know, it's what
you're bringing to the stage.

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It's what it's what you're
giving up.

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It's what you're putting out to
the audience and how you're

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connecting with them or not
connecting with them.

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But that's solely on you.
So yes, the first stand up

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experience was honestly pretty
damn good, all things

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considered.
I mean, I got hit with that

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first wave of laughter and it
was.

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Yes.
I want more of this, yeah.

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I want to ask you some now.
I'm like more fascinated than

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all these notes I have in front
of me because I want to die.

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I have a friend who also used to
do stand up comedy in Ireland.

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I love that.
Yeah, yeah, I can.

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Yeah, She's amazing.
And then she doesn't do it

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anymore.
But like, she and I used to talk

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about, like, rhythm of the
performance, right?

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You know the high, the low,
where you go, where you don't

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go.
So is that where you met your

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first Heckler?
Like out there in school or?

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No, it was really, I don't
remember it so much, you know,

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when I would do it on campus,
which is odd.

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I don't know if it's because I
just kind of gave off the nice

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guy thing, but what I was doing,
you know, when I started playing

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actual clubs, actual comedy
clubs, I ran into obviously

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hecklers and things like that.
Yeah, I know you made that

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reference on my website, and I'm
sure that's on there.

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If you're saying it's there, I'm
sure it's there.

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I don't remember specifically
what it said or what I said,

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what I went on there.
What if I say on my website?

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Wait.
I'm going to find it.

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Wait.
I think it also says that I'm

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64, you know?
Obviously, Yeah.

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Oh, it was, you know it says.
Yeah, you say you face hecklers,

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blank stares and nerves.
Sure, I have it right there.

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Yeah, yeah, proof.
And I think it's honestly, it's

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more applicable now as far as
dealing when I say hecklers,

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it's more, it's a looser term
than it was when I was doing

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stand up, you know, the public
speaking stuff that I'm doing

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now.
You will get that person who

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will, you know, you ask a
question to the audience and

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they will respond and then they
will respond again.

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And it's, it's much easier now.
I'm also a lot older, you know,

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I'm not, I'm not as afraid as of
as much as I used to be.

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When you're younger and you're
on the stage for a different

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reason and you think, you know,
there's got to be this sense of

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perfection and you're still
dealing with a lot of that, that

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self-awareness of, you know, do
they like me?

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Do they hate me?
Do I suck?

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Are my pants on fire?
Am I wearing pants?

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Are there pants?
I mean, it's a podcast.

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You might not be just.
I mystery.

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And it's a mystery.
The people have to tune in and

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like, listen in really
carefully.

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I'm really curious if also
exploring when it comes to

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comedians, a lot of them are
actually not you, but many are

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dealing with big depressive
issues, right?

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Like there is they're drawing
from a pain to make you laugh.

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In general, you don't come off
that way.

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You got that middle child thing,
but I don't know.

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But so like if you were always
the bridge keeper in your home,

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because I love exploring the
topic of home and what was saved

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and what brings creativity into
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What was that like?
What was like growing up then

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for you?
What was your household like?

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Were they funny?
Was it serious?

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Were you trying to lighten the
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I was trying to lighten the
mood.

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I mean, look, I'm just as fucked
up as anybody.

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I come from just as much of A
dysfunctional family as anybody

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does.
And I love my family.

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They're wonderful, they're
great.

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You know, my parents are still
married after 60 years.

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Siblings and I are pretty damn
close, all things considered.

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So I'm very, very fortunate.
But yeah, my family is just as

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dented and damaged as anybody
else.

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Beautiful as beautiful, yeah.
You know, because when I started

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to go into, into the show
business route, my parents

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weren't necessarily enthusiastic
and supportive.

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And it's not because it's not
because it's like they had

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dreams of me doing something
else.

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I think they just it's it was so
far removed from what they knew

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that they didn't know how to
support me except to say, OK,

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you know, there are actually
times where we like when I first

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started doing stand up and after
I had those first few

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experiences on my college campus
and I came home for the summer

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and I said, I'm going to get up
on stage at a comedy club.

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I still remember as clear as day
my father saying, I don't know

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about that.
And he's not.

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He wasn't saying I won't allow
you to do it.

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He was saying in his brain that
was like, you can't, you can't

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just go into a comedy club and
get on stage.

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There's got to be like, you have
to know the president.

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You know, I think that his brain
and both my parents were like,

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those are things for other
people that we don't have

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connections to, that we're not a
part of that world.

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So they didn't know how to
support me in that way.

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I mean, and don't get me wrong,
my parents have seen every movie

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and every TV show that I've
done.

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They saw me do stand up a number
of times.

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They've seen a number of my
theatrical productions they've,

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you know, come down or gone to
New York or wherever I was, you

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know, doing a play at the time.
And so they are, and they

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couldn't be prouder, but there
is still that thing like when I

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come off stage or when the
movie's over, where I can tell

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that they're looking at me and
they don't really know how to

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talk to me 'cause I think their
brain is still going like what

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just happened.
I know that feeling.

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I know that feeling.
What did you do?

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How did you?
What are you doing?

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And it like, they don't know
what questions to ask me.

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All they can say is like they're
beaming with pride, but they

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don't know how to verbalize it
and they don't even know how to

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inquire.
Like what's the process like?

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How does it feel for you when
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None of those things.
I think they're just going like

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it's short circuiting for them.
I love that answer.

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I I also know that feeling when
like back in the day when I just

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wanted to be a writer, my mom
was like going off to college.

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How do you make a living?
Yeah.

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My dad, you know, plumbers, what
they they were all plumbers,

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right?
So, like, what is this writer

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doing?
What?

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What do you?
What do we do with you?

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I had a house in Charlotte and
an apartment in New York all on

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my own.
And my dad at one point,

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literally, he asked me where is
your money coming from?

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And I'm like, what are you
talking about?

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I'm like, do you think that I'm
like selling drugs or something

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like that?
Again, the idea of that, you

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know, he's like, well, you don't
talk about like the jobs you

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book.
And it's like, do you really

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want to hear about every car
wash radio ad that I do or they.

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Do this is the perfect segue I
want.

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I want to talk about voice over
stuff because or commercial

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work, right?
Because back in the day there

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was also industrials.
I don't know what they call them

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anymore.
They're still industrials.

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Yeah, Yep.
And I did a ton of those.

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And it's like, yeah, it's not
sexy work, but it's work.

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And I'm happy to do it.
But I'm like, do you really want

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me to talk to you about, like,
you know, sexual harassment in

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the workplace at Bank of
America?

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I don't know if they're going to
let me air that bar because, you

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know, it doesn't happen in Bank
of America.

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Because they made videos to
prevent it.

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Obviously it was your own voice.
I want to talk about voice

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because you're so fun.
I'm so you're funny.

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First of all, you're just funny.
So I'm glad you're not depressed

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on camera.
I appreciate that.

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I had once sat next to Richard
Jennings.

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I mean, he he is someone who
ended his.

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Yeah, I don't.
Know how to say that?

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Richard Jenning.
They.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I don't know if that should

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have a trigger warning in
nowadays, but he passed away by

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his own actions.
But I had sat with him on a

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flight from New York to Lai
mean, it's just yapping me up.

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And I was like, OK, let's yap it
up.

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I sat next to a lot of really
interesting people on those

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flights.
I have so many stories about

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those.
But he in particular was

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friendly.
Alan Alda was the least

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friendly.
He thanked me for not speaking

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to him the entire flight.
When he left, he turned to me,

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said thank you and got up and
and he was reading the Woody

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Allen script then.
So that was a long time ago

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anyway, but he was talking with
me.

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He's like, can I drive you home?
I'm like, Nah, you know, my

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friend is coming, but thank you.
And down at baggage was his

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girlfriend, so LA And then like
a week later, I saw him at a

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comedy club down in Redondo
Beach.

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And then he was like white
because he's still with his

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girlfriend.
I was like, oh, it's good to see

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you.
And I said that to the girl.

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I always speak to the female
person so they know that I'm

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not, you know, it's like nice to
see you, good to see you, great

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show kind of thing.
It was soon after that that it

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happened and I was so sad
because I got to kind of know

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how introverted and quiet he was
and like some of his thought

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processes that was that was a
swish.

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I want to go back to voice over
because I have a funny story

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too.
Come on.

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This is excellent.
So for people who don't know,

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you're the expert, right?
My podcast is about living a

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creative life.
Explain how voice over is an

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amazing way to have a career and
it because your voice is

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distinct and listening to myself
now on my podcast, my voice is

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like, but you have that voice.
You can do this voice and I can

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do that voice and whatever.
So talk about voice over For

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people who might not know it,
how would you describe it?

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Well, first of all, you're a
crazy person.

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You.
Have I Am, But that's what makes

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me artistic.
Yeah, you have a phenomenal

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voice.
It's so interesting that you're

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asking this question today in
2025, because my answer is going

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to be very, very different than
it was a few years ago because

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it has changed considerably,
considerably in the last few

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years.
It's nothing close to what it

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was like because of, you know,
technology and AI or whatever it

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is or the fact that any person
with a microphone and a laptop

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truly can do it.
If you have the equipment to

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record yourself audio wise, you
can get in the game.

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So the talent pool and the, you
know, the casting net is so much

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bigger now.
It's truly you against the world

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for every voice over job.
So as you can imagine, I have

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people on a fairly regular basis
throughout the year, especially

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with on The Voice over side,
want to talk to me about voice

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over work because just like I've
said to you, you've got a lovely

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voice.
You could absolutely work in the

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voice over business.
And when someone says that to

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someone else, they and they stop
and think, wow, do I have a

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wonderful voice that I could
make money off of.

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And they'll come to me and say,
people tell me that I have a

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really nice voice.
And my response is, yes, you do.

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They're not wrong, but I also
want to make you aware of

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something.
You know who else has a really

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nice voice?
Most people.

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Most people have a really nice
voice, pleasant sounding

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speaking voice.
Most people don't sound like you

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know you're dragging A dumpster
across a parking lot when they

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speak, and if you do, that
person's probably going to work

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a shit ton.
Yeah, because they are unique.

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Yes, yes.
So it is it, it, it, it has been

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a great way to make a living.
It's been a great way to

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supplement, you know, the
career.

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Because I mean, I literally have
my, my big ass booth right here

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next to me.
Because voice over is done

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primarily in commercial scripts,
which is going to be 1530 or 60

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seconds.
That's short stuff.

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You don't have to put on makeup,
you don't have to set up a

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camera.
You just need a microphone and

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you know enough of a quiet space
that's acoustically treated so

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that it sounds.
Professional grade when they

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edit it that again, you don't
even have to put on pants and

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you can crank these things out.
Obviously I'm a fan of not

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wearing pants.
It's a theme.

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It's a theme, but I mean, these
are things like, you know,

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normally as you know, you do a
commercial shoot, you're

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shooting one spot, maybe 2 spots
in a 10/12 hour day, voice over.

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You can bang out a half dozen
sessions in half a day, you

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know, and never leave your
house.

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So yeah, it's a it's it's been a
great way to, you know, to make

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a living for a long, long time.
But it is changed drastically in

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the past few years.
And the competition is so much

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higher.
And now you're dealing with

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advancements in technology that
are truly playing against you.

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I'll never forget when the whole
AI, you know, voice thing

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started coming that I started
seeing ads on YouTube that

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literally said why hire a voice
actor when you could purchase

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this?
And I'm like, you're targeting

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fucking voice over actors.
Yeah, we're all struggling just

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to fucking make a living.
You're targeting us

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specifically.
Jesus.

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I have so many things with AI,
just like as a writer, because

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it just, it just steals so many
people's content and rejiggers

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it.
But Rick Rubin, I've been

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listening to him a lot lately.
I guess my my something in my

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soul must need his advice but
his quote I'm going to keep and

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I might misquote so everyone get
over it.

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You can fix it in the comments
for me.

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Basically AI has no soul.
So if you give them an input,

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all AI will eventually give you
the same answer.

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But as a storyteller, musician,
artist, even a voice over

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artist, there is no soul behind
it.

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I know a content creator who
uses AI sometimes because

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they're so busy to fill in the
script and speak for them.

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I could tell the difference.
They're like don't tell anyone

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you know when the difference is.
I was like, I understand when

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you need it.
It is an interesting tool.

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I just think I've seen too much
sci-fi.

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I think we've all become a
little too much like actually, I

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think we're in the world of
wall-e right now.

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Did you know like that Disney
movie wall-e, like we're all

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hitting the button, we're
changing our thing, we're

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floating along.
We're we have to start free

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thinking again, right?
So being creative, that's.

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My hopes and not combating AI
because it's here and it's you

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know, we're going to find a way
to work with it but I, I am a

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firm believer that it's never
going to capture your essence.

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It's never going to capture your
spirit and you're right it's

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never going to have a soul.
So I don't think it's ever going

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to fully be able to capture, you
know, human behavior and human

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emotion in that way.
But unfortunately, I also feel

447
00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:02,880
like we're in a a time of, yeah,
it's good enough and, and good

448
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,080
enough is, you know, good enough
is cheaper.

449
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,120
And, but my argument with that
is like, if everybody's doing

450
00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:10,760
what's good enough, then how do
you separate yourself?

451
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,800
How do you stand out?
How do you make your product

452
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,080
different from anybody else's?
It's the same thing when I'm

453
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,040
working with people, you know,
in public speaking, especially

454
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,440
now, it's like everybody's got a
platform, everybody's got a

455
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,320
message, everybody's got a
story.

456
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,840
And if everybody's just doing
basically the same thing, then

457
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,680
what are you doing to separate
yourself from the noise?

458
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:33,600
The example that I use is I used
to use it in regards to

459
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,840
auditioning where, you know,
it's you and 1000 other actors

460
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,360
that compare it to being at a
football game, but a Panthers

461
00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:43,480
game, we'll say everybody is
there, they're wearing the same

462
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,800
colors and everybody's up and
they're shouting and screaming

463
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,120
and jumping around and whatever.
And you look in the crowd and

464
00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:50,440
there's one person sitting
still.

465
00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:53,360
Who are you going to pay
attention to?

466
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,800
The one person who's sitting
still, most likely because

467
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,440
you're going to go, what's going
on with that person?

468
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,720
Why aren't they doing what
everybody else is doing?

469
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:05,600
So it's that same sort of, you
know, idea.

470
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,840
It's that same sort of mindset
of what can I bring to it?

471
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,120
What can I do that only I can
bring to it?

472
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,640
That's that it's not going to be
like everybody else.

473
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,960
And that means you have to be
willing to take that next step

474
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,600
of vulnerability and exposure.
Like going all the way back to

475
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,360
the beginning of our
conversation, when you're asking

476
00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:26,640
about stand up, is you've got to
be willing to let them see you.

477
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,440
Truly being open to letting them
see you.

478
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:34,080
Truly being open to letting them
hear you without judgment,

479
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,320
without apology.
Yeah, unapologetic you.

480
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,640
I, I can roll with everything
and I, I'm, I'm non linear.

481
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:42,960
I, I think that's an honest
conversation.

482
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,520
That's the whole point why I'm
doing this.

483
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,040
I started this because I wanted
to have conversations with

484
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,440
creative people about the
reality of a creative life.

485
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,520
And it's, it's a high, high and
a low low.

486
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,000
We're all little manic.
We all have our own process to

487
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,000
get to that authenticity, which
is my whole thing, right?

488
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,880
Real, not perfect.
But then authenticity became a

489
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,440
buzzword, which made me not want
to do my healing as much

490
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:09,600
publicly because I guess we're
going to jump for me, like,

491
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,800
especially during this, like,
public speaking.

492
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,240
Everyone's like 05 years ago,
Holly, you should have a

493
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,480
podcast.
I was like, yeah, it's a lot of

494
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:17,840
work, man.
Like, you don't know what I'm

495
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,480
working.
Like I have three books in draft

496
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,520
over there.
I'm like writing essays.

497
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,840
I'm helping people.
I'm doing workshops like, oh,

498
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,800
I'm a mother.
Like I'm busy.

499
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,520
Like I know I might not look it
like I might just make make this

500
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:35,000
look so easy, but I'm busy.
And I was scared because I as a

501
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,800
writer and even in production, I
was producing right?

502
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:43,320
So I was, and having my control
issues over here and letting the

503
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,560
creativity be there, but I
really wanted to be a creative

504
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,360
producer.
Like when Amelie came out and,

505
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,240
and when you talk about the tone
and the color and how that story

506
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,400
was told on all the nuance
level, I could go and I could

507
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,800
talk about that for 10 hours.
Like when just like hair,

508
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,200
makeup, words of color, green,
this, what's this?

509
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,360
Like?
Just give me that.

510
00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:05,120
And I wanted to so I would give
all my ideas away, never get

511
00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:06,320
credit.
And then I got bitter.

512
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,960
I became what I hated in LA,
which was a bitter woman trying

513
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,280
to make it in the business
because I felt like I was never

514
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,680
heard or seen in the way that I
wanted to be.

515
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,480
And part of it was I wasn't able
and I couldn't really play the

516
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:20,400
game.
Kissing ass.

517
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:25,120
It's just not inherent in who I
am, and it's necessary in that.

518
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,600
But when I started trying to
publicly speak, which started

519
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:34,480
performing my own essays, like
in a show, what surprised

520
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,880
everybody was is that when I got
on stage, my voice was this

521
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,640
loud.
I was so scared that my voice

522
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,880
literally would disappear.
And everyone's like, you're

523
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,280
loud.
I'm like, I'm actually an

524
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,440
introvert, so I'm not loud.
I have a microphone like I'm

525
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,440
going to tell you a story about
my miscarriage.

526
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,160
That's scary for me, that's
insanely vulnerable.

527
00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:01,240
And then even though I'm not in
pain walking around every day to

528
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:06,560
call upon that feeling.
So I'm being real with you while

529
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:11,240
I discuss it is something that I
have not found exactly a safe

530
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,160
space anytime I've done that.
But that's kind of like what I

531
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,600
was doing there.
So that's kind of fascinating in

532
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,280
that you're talking about
authenticity.

533
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,880
And then I go to, but are you
safe to be it?

534
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,680
How do you tell a story over and
over again in a room with many

535
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:34,040
people and then but feel safe
enough backstage to come out and

536
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,480
deliver?
And I think that is part of one

537
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:42,800
of the things about actors I've
I admire and slightly hate.

538
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,120
Well, I mean, you know, you want
to make sure obviously, and I'm

539
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:50,080
saying this as actors as well,
is that, you know, we certainly

540
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,360
want to make sure that we're not
going into therapy land when,

541
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,880
you know, we're performing some
of these scenes or digging to

542
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,720
relate to this, you know,
character this moment.

543
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,440
Yeah, I I know that we've
certainly been accused of that

544
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,360
at times of like, you know,
yeah, it just like you're like

545
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:07,800
you're going through therapy for
yourself.

546
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,120
Good.
I'm glad this is working for

547
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:11,360
you.
And I think you've got to be

548
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:14,000
careful of knowing that, you
know, they're, we're obviously

549
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,680
multifaceted and there's so many
layers.

550
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,640
I think to authenticity.
You can have an honest moment

551
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,200
without, you know, dumping,
without dumping your purse out

552
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,040
onto the, onto the table with
all your deep dark secrets.

553
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,800
You can share and connect in a
moment that's genuine and

554
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:36,360
sincere without all that stuff.
And at the same, at the same

555
00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:38,640
time, for the person who is
sharing that authentic, you

556
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,640
know, moment or, or, or telling
that very personal story,

557
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,280
hopefully you've gotten to a
place where you've healed enough

558
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,280
to where you can tell it and
share it and make sure and you

559
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,680
know that I'm going to keep the
audience safe.

560
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,000
It's not Even so much about
keeping you.

561
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,080
I know that I'm already in a
place where you don't have to

562
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,760
worry about me.
I'm sharing something with you

563
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,160
that's it's going to be a little
touchy.

564
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,480
It's going to be a little
sensitive.

565
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,440
I'm going to make sure that I
let you know from the get go

566
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,840
that I'm OK.
And I'm actually going to take

567
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,640
care of you while I'm sharing
this information with you.

568
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,560
I love.
That I love that that's going to

569
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,240
be like my keeper for the day
for me.

570
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,440
I I love that.
And I want to clarify for anyone

571
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,440
listening and being like, Oh my
God, the bitch is a hater.

572
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,280
No, it was like as a producer, I
would have to make sure

573
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,720
literally the environment was
good and safe for an actor, a go

574
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,760
down for trailer food.
Who's going to talk to them?

575
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,960
Who's going to be around them?
Who's dressing them, how they're

576
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,400
going to get to set.
And some people get to be

577
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,280
persnickety.
All those stories that you heard

578
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,280
about, like not that color
Eminem, they're true.

579
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,800
I had someone playing Favored
Nations game with me one time,

580
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,720
and I was like, OK, like we're
filming.

581
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,160
Can you just, can you just
whatever.

582
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,840
I had another actor who lost
their script.

583
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,160
Every day on episodic
television.

584
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,480
I'm like, really, your job is to
know these words.

585
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,520
But we were so used to it.
We had five scripts a day just

586
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,760
waiting for.
I'm like, we're on set.

587
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,600
I don't know where you're losing
it exactly.

588
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,880
I'm pretty sure they're all in
your bathroom, but that's OK, we

589
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,240
have another one for you.
It's just like when you're on

590
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,440
the production side of that,
that gets tedious.

591
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,480
And I think that is more old,
bitter 90s holly, but it's fine.

592
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,480
Well, you know, it's unfortunate
that that a lot of those or or

593
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,440
at least that some of those
stories are still true to this

594
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,200
day.
That's, you know, we're even

595
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,360
after as much as we've evolved
and everything that we've gone

596
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,920
through and continue to go
through just as a society that

597
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,800
you still have, you know,
Academy Award winners get on the

598
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,560
van to go to set and say
something like, do you know who

599
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,280
I am?
Do you need me to know who you

600
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:43,960
are?
I think you're #1 on the call

601
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,640
sheet is all I'm saying.
You're right there.

602
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,320
Your name is on everything.
Thank you Do.

603
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,400
You know who you are, do you?
Do you remember It's all good.

604
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,760
OK, so I'm going to jump back to
voice over at work because I

605
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,440
have this is my funny story.
I'm going to light in the mood

606
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,160
again.
So back in the day, do you

607
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,400
remember Red Shoe Diaries?
Yes.

608
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,280
Are you old enough for that?
I remember that they existed,

609
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,880
yeah.
So they are, they were like, how

610
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,840
should I put that?
I think for today's standard

611
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,000
they're probably PG13, but for
back in the day.

612
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,240
Right.
Yeah, they were pretty.

613
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,080
They were racy.
They were like we called it.

614
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:25,000
So I worked on two I want.
I worked on not Red Shoe Diaries

615
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,040
proper, but HBO had a version
and Skidamax, that's what we

616
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,160
called it, had a version.
Right.

617
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,760
So I I produced those.
It was great money, by the way,

618
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,920
and I was like 25.
I was like, yeah, sweet.

619
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,480
So anyway, so I'm directing, I'm
producing 1.

620
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,760
And we filmed it near the
Playboy Mansion.

621
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,360
It was like this very bizarre
world, whatever.

622
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,040
And the director calls me one
night he's like, I didn't get a

623
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:58,360
good sound on set.
Can you come help me now being

624
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,720
strangely naive because I, I
know.

625
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,480
Look at your face.
Look at your face.

626
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,440
So I was like, OK, his name was
his first name is Gareth.

627
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,400
Gareth is like, come, come to
the studio.

628
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,960
And we lived in North Hollywood,
right?

629
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,760
We're in the valley.
Because although I'm making good

630
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,880
money, it's LA and I'm whatever.
Yeah, me and my 4 roommates.

631
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:26,840
So we go, I go and I go to the
the editing place and he's like,

632
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,040
I need M&G.
And I was like, I don't know

633
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,280
what MNG is like do you want me
to say her line?

634
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,040
Do you need footsteps?
Like what are you fully?

635
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,320
What are you talking about?
Moans and groans, moans and

636
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,960
groans.
So like I'm smirking and

637
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,000
laughing and he's like, I we
have I was like, is this set up?

638
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,240
But it was true.
He didn't he had horrible sound.

639
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:56,040
So then so now I very sheltered
girl, like super like I know I'm

640
00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,960
LA weird, but like, no, I'm
going to moan into a mic with

641
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:06,240
two men next to me on the other
side of the glass in a booth and

642
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,320
and the director's like here,
I'll help.

643
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,760
And he's like, I was like, no,
not not helping and I'm not not

644
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:19,560
helping because he was doing the
males like part And I was like,

645
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,360
I just wanted I think I lasted.
See, I can't even do it with a

646
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,520
straight face and I'm fully,
fully past middle age at this

647
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:27,160
point.
But do you?

648
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,480
Want me to like cover this?
Exactly exactly cover the

649
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,080
camera.
But I will never forget doing

650
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,800
MNG in the valley for a skin
Max.

651
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,800
I don't think I got paid for
that part.

652
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,080
I definitely wasn't paid enough
to do it.

653
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,400
I'm just, I think was that an
episode with Shannon, though?

654
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,840
It might have been.
I think that was it.

655
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,520
Shannon, the one who's married
to Gene Simmons, but.

656
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,720
In a tweet.
Yes, yes.

657
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,680
Heck yes.
Worked with her a couple of

658
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,840
times, but yeah, so M&G but not
for her because she she's a

659
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,280
professional.
Well, sure.

660
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,760
She gets right up on the on the
on the microphone.

661
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,200
She you're going to get this
M&G.

662
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,239
Oh yeah, I want to make sure you
get this.

663
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,159
No one's, no one's looping, no
one's ADR in mind, you know.

664
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:13,880
What?
We don't need the Holly MNG.

665
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,560
So anyway, that was yeah, I am.
Maybe that's part of why I don't

666
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,040
enjoy, though.
It's like this is this is so

667
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,480
awkward.
It's just so but this such a so

668
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:28,000
quintessential LA like Hollywood
story.

669
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,520
Oh my God, you lived the life.
I did I also my hand is in a

670
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,400
shot, the close up the cut, an
insert shot one time on a

671
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:40,080
computer, my hand very exciting.
So OK, talking about LA and

672
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,520
actors.
Yes.

673
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:43,280
OK.
Physicality.

674
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,080
Yeah.
Like, because there's standards

675
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,840
for what women need to look
like.

676
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:51,440
Do they exist for men?
And does that exist in theater?

677
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,800
And is it changing your
experience?

678
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,840
What's your experience?
I mean, I know you're 6. 4.

679
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:04,360
I I am 6/4 and I weigh 37 lbs.
You know, I've always stayed

680
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,080
pretty fit.
That was always a big deal for

681
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:12,680
me because I did, I had
aspirations of trying to break

682
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:19,440
into the leading man category,
you know, and not realizing that

683
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,680
it's like, oh, well, you're not
64, you're not even 61.

684
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,960
You're not even 5-10, you know.
So that was like, you know,

685
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,160
there, there, there.
There are not very many Tom

686
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,120
cruises in the world, you know,
who are the tiny leading men

687
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:41,760
action stars.
So but staying in shape because

688
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:46,440
I fit into that type for the
most part was always was was

689
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,680
always kind of a a priority for
me.

690
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,920
So I never really got to test
the waters of hey, and I've had

691
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,960
people try and get me to like
just grow your hair.

692
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,840
I'll grow a beard, stop working
out and just see what it'll do

693
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,760
for you.
And I'm like, it's, and it

694
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:05,040
sounds really, really
interesting because there have

695
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,520
been times where I've tried to
sort of dip my toe into that.

696
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,840
And it's like you're still,
you're still too, you're still

697
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,560
too fit.
You're still too well put

698
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:18,880
together.
We don't, you can be dirty, but

699
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,400
we, you don't look dirty enough
yet.

700
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,560
You know what I mean?
It's like, I can do dark and I

701
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,640
can do dirty.
And I, you know, do surprise

702
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,680
people at times, but they're
like, but we look at you and

703
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,920
they're like, you still look.
I, I'm just going to say it now

704
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,320
because I'm, I've been in this
business too long.

705
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,360
You're still too handsome.
You're still too, you know,

706
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,720
clean cut.
You're not messy enough.

707
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,440
You, you don't have enough, you
know, scars and bruises and

708
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,640
grossness on you, even though
you can go there and we can get

709
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,800
that from the look in your eyes.
The rest of you says, here, let

710
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,480
me take those bags for you and
hold the door.

711
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,840
You know, so I don't really
know.

712
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,840
I've never been able to see it
necessarily.

713
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,040
I don't, I think it's obviously
very different for women than it

714
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,720
is for men.
I think guys can get away with

715
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:09,240
that with a hell of a lot more.
I mean, you know, you look at

716
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,640
the, you know, James Gandolfini
was a leading man, for God's

717
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,080
sake.
There were a lot of guys like

718
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,280
that who weren't necessarily all
Brad Pitt's who had phenomenal,

719
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,480
you know, leading careers.
Women, I think those numbers are

720
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,960
much smaller and those windows
were much were much smaller as

721
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,080
well for any of them that did
you know, I think the the

722
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:37,880
pressure on women to maintain a
certain physicality is yeah and

723
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,960
it's and it sucks.
It really, really sucks because

724
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,800
you know, you take, and I'm not
going to name names because it's

725
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,920
not like I've necessarily worked
with them, but you watch them

726
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,120
over time.
Who some of the most beautiful

727
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,720
women who have ever graced the
screen, whether it be on TV or

728
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:53,640
movies, get to a certain age and
then they start fucking with

729
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,960
their face and you're like, what
are you doing?

730
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,640
Oh my God, what are you doing?
And at the same time, I can't

731
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,280
understand what kind of pressure
that they're under to possibly

732
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,800
see their career truly just
disappear when they are still

733
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,680
one of the most beautiful women,
you know, walking the planet.

734
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,280
I think that's why I.
Like Kate Winslet so much

735
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,600
lately, like, you know, like,
well, first of all, she's

736
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:18,320
phenomenal actress, but and
she's brave.

737
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,120
Like she's done some of the
roles that might have been

738
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,920
smaller on her way up even.
Like she's brave and her face is

739
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,400
her face.
And as like as again, like as

740
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:34,160
I'm in my mid to late 50s, it's
like like, you know, in Atlanta,

741
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,960
like crack a lot or whatever,
like, you know, and fit and

742
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,480
healthy, but but you're like,
oh, that outside that thing is

743
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,160
happening.
Shit, I'm aging.

744
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:43,920
Right aging is.
Weird.

745
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,200
Yes, it sucks.
I'm not a fan.

746
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,720
Not a fan.
Highly recommend but not a fan.

747
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,440
Right, right, right, right,
right.

748
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,960
Yeah, the the alternate is not a
very good option.

749
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,760
I guess I also was like, I was
thinking about this thing for me

750
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,920
as an audience member.
I saw Mean Girls when it came

751
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:11,880
through town with my daughter.
And for me, at one point on the

752
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:16,280
show, I got very emotional
because of all the shapes and

753
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,240
sizes and different people that
were on stage, which didn't

754
00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:22,720
exist.
Like when I was in the business

755
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:26,440
or when I danced or like I had
to be a certain way or whatever.

756
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:29,280
This is what beauty is.
This is what a dancer is.

757
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,800
And, you know, to say that I
want to see a ballerina that is

758
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:37,640
wildly not ballerina.
Like I can tell you I'm a

759
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,840
traditionalist a bit that way.
You know, I, I think the line

760
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,360
should look like that line.
That is why it's ballet.

761
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:48,520
But watching that play and
seeing all that talent like it,

762
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,880
I was so happy.
Yeah, I think in that respect,

763
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:59,160
in that regards, the they have
opened up the casting window to

764
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,600
a little bit more of yeah, the
different various shapes and

765
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:07,080
sizes, obviously, and racial
backgrounds and, you know,

766
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,440
sexual orientations obviously
that we didn't, you know, prior

767
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,000
to five years ago.
I would say no, Hollywood still

768
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,240
Hollywood.
I think there's been a huge

769
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:21,800
shift, which is wonderful, but I
still feel like in the leading

770
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,040
roles necessarily that it that
probably hasn't changed as much.

771
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,040
Money.
Right, Right.

772
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,080
But I think it's great.
Yeah, truly, in theater

773
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,000
especially, you can see that and
I think it's fantastic.

774
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,120
I think it's fantastic.
What's your favorite medium to

775
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,360
work in?
Theater, it really is.

776
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:43,480
If I could make a living, well,
if I could make, if I could make

777
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,280
the same living doing theater as
I have, you know, doing

778
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,520
commercials and movies and TV
and voice overs and on camera

779
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,200
work, then I would probably do
nothing but theater.

780
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,840
It's just there's something
about it, you know, it is that

781
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,440
that whole live theater thing?
There is that whole sense of,

782
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,560
yeah, once the show starts,
you're you, you are, you're

783
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,280
taking this journey from start
to finish.

784
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,360
You're covering in two hours
what a movie covers over the

785
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,880
span of, you know, three months
of shooting.

786
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,960
And you have to do it, you know,
every night, every night, every

787
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,920
night, a movie you hit play
again and you're going to see

788
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,240
the same movie every time and
theater you go to the next

789
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:23,920
night.
And it's not going to be exactly

790
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,320
the same the next night.
Something's going to be

791
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,360
different.
And there's just obviously

792
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,520
something just very electric and
alive about that all the time.

793
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,760
You know, my partner, she tells
me she's like, you're you're a

794
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,240
different person when you're
doing a play.

795
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:42,080
And she doesn't mean that she's
like, in a good way.

796
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,160
She's like you.
She said you light up on a stage

797
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:50,520
like no other time.
And so anytime I'm doing a show,

798
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,240
I think she's probably just as
excited, if not more so, than I

799
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:56,520
am.
I get that, yeah.

800
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,000
I totally get that.
Anything you ever took from set?

801
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:06,640
That you can.
Admit in public any wardrobe did

802
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,280
you ever like like a favorite
like something like that from.

803
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:15,760
From, from theater or from I,
yeah, I, I kept, I played, I

804
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,560
played Oscar.
I played Oscar Madison and The

805
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,720
Odd Couple.
I kept the New York Mets hats.

806
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:26,440
I've done a lot of Neil Simon
and I.

807
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:29,680
The first one that I did, the
first show that I did was I did

808
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,720
Brighton Beach Memoirs and
Broadway Bound way back in the

809
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:37,520
late 1900s and I'm trying to
remember if I kept anything from

810
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,360
that show.
I don't think so.

811
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,280
Not too much.
I'm always fascinated by like.

812
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,080
So how you did 8 shows a week
then?

813
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,760
No, it was regional theater.
So it was either 5 or 6.

814
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,400
Yeah.
No, I didn't.

815
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:55,920
I've never, I never did
Broadway.

816
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,160
I did.
I did, you know, Off Broadway

817
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,600
and off Off Broadway.
And so you were running a

818
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,680
regular, you know, four or five,
sometimes 6 shows in small

819
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,720
spaces in New York City, but no
regionally.

820
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,000
Same thing.
Yeah, we weren't necessarily

821
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,560
running an 8 show week.
I have hopes for you.

822
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,480
I have dreams.
I, you know, I, I taking.

823
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,920
This into being man, that's all.
I'm saying, yeah, when you see

824
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,480
these tours come through, it's
like, man, I don't, I can

825
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,600
imagine how exhausting that must
be.

826
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,720
But let me just do it once, you
know, let me take it all around

827
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:32,400
the country for six months or a
year and have that just sort of

828
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,720
elite athlete level experience
theatrically.

829
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,160
I spoke with a playwright not
that long ago, and she calls the

830
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,440
A Crucible, the Crucible of
creation.

831
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,080
She's just like that intense
environment when you're in the

832
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,200
dark and you're there and you're
experiencing it live.

833
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,640
I really liked that.
Yeah, I'm keeping that one.

834
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,600
I love it.
I absolutely love it.

835
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,920
I think of like those people who
tour, not only are you giving

836
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,240
that energy a performance, but
traveling like that is

837
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:06,200
exhausting.
I don't know how they're not all

838
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,840
sick.
I think several of them are and

839
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,760
do get.
I'm sure that they do.

840
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,320
And you have understudies and
people go on for you.

841
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,640
And yeah, I think they prepare
for that.

842
00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:19,680
All right, so when are you
getting on stage next, where we

843
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,600
where we're all going to go with
our little signs.

844
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,040
I don't know, because now you
know, because you can't make any

845
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,000
money doing theatre.
So I'm very, very selective

846
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,600
about the shows that I want to
be in.

847
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,480
Especially.
I've been doing more directing

848
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,480
in the past few years, which has
been a whole ton of fun.

849
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:42,080
I'm supposed to be directing a
play next spring over at Theatre

850
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:47,240
Charlotte doing God of Carnage
for them, which is a great show

851
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,080
for people.
I actually did a production of

852
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,920
it back in 2013.
And then I saw the original

853
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:58,120
Broadway production with James
Gandolfini and Jeff Daniels and

854
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,200
Marcia Gay Harden and Hope
Davis, and it was ridiculous.

855
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:03,240
Yeah.
It was incredible.

856
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,200
So, yeah.
Yeah.

857
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:08,480
But as far as being on stage, I
don't know.

858
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:13,760
I don't know.
I this, I mean, to be truly,

859
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:18,400
really real, this whole public
speaking side of the business is

860
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,680
still so new.
And when I started offering this

861
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,720
service or you know, even just
offering my services as a

862
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:28,440
speaker as well as a speaking
coach, I thought it would just

863
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,960
be another offering under the
Brian Lafontaine Incorporated

864
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,520
umbrella.
And it's really a completely,

865
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,880
completely separate business
entirely because the clientele

866
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,640
is completely different.
Tell me about it.

867
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:42,240
You do.
The Speakeasy meetings in

868
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:44,680
Charlotte.
You were those Speakeasy events

869
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:46,760
the first Monday of every month.
Is that like a?

870
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,120
Stand up comedy roast What is
what is that?

871
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,080
It's honestly, I try to no, I
understand that, but I've had

872
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,640
people ask me, they're like, oh,
I've got some stand up friends

873
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,520
who might want to come and it's
like, cool.

874
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,760
This isn't an open mic for stand
ups necessarily because there

875
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,960
are plenty of those around town.
This is really more for people

876
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,080
who are interested, not really
more.

877
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,720
It's for people who are
interested in speaking in any

878
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:11,120
capacity outside of stand up per
SE.

879
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,040
It's like, honestly, you want to
come and test your, your, your,

880
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,160
you're set.
Cool.

881
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,480
But that's not the line up that
I'm trying to create.

882
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,440
It's for people in the
professional world who either

883
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,200
just are paralyzed when they get
up in front of an audience or

884
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,160
want to work on, you know,
one-on-one communication skills.

885
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,840
Or if you are working on a
keynote speech or a TE DX talk

886
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,600
or you've got a corporate
presentation or, or pitch that

887
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,160
you're that you're doing.
How often do you get the

888
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,320
opportunity to work on that in a
group setting in front of an

889
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,400
audience before you actually do
it on the day?

890
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,760
Never.
So.

891
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,560
And to actually get feedback and
coaching in the process.

892
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:56,400
So, so yeah, it's, it's because
the clientele from the public

893
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,600
speaking side of the business
are more in the corporate and

894
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,680
professional world.
And then everything else on the

895
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,240
acting side is all entertainment
industry related.

896
00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:07,320
That's why when I started
pursuing that, I realized, oh, I

897
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,720
don't know anybody to offer this
service to.

898
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,320
I have no corporate connections.
0 so.

899
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,680
You have so many more.
Like 7-8.

900
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,840
I can hook AI, can hook a girl
up.

901
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,560
I have the most interesting,
eclectic group of people in my

902
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,960
world.
So as clients, as my intuitive

903
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,720
business, I had a lot of
corporate people.

904
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:32,160
But The thing is, they don't
like to tell people that they

905
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,720
see me.
Right, sure, I get that.

906
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:38,520
So I'm just like what, you know,
it's referral just saying, but

907
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,400
but you know, I think how do you
OK, this is a question.

908
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:44,880
He's like, what's coming?
What's coming?

909
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,640
I know I'm a throat talker.
OK.

910
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,920
Right.
Like how do you ease up on that?

911
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,600
Because I think public speaking,
if you speak that you're just

912
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,880
going to lose your voice so
fast, no matter how many

913
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,120
girthers you take.
And I can be told to go into my

914
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,320
chest and then I can dip down,
but I can't stay there.

915
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,520
It's just it's practice like
anything else.

916
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:06,880
Practice.
Give us a tip.

917
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,200
Come on, give us a tip.
The pressure's on.

918
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,560
So I want to explain to people
what is a throat Tucker?

919
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,920
I literally, I can feel my
throat constrict while I speak.

920
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,440
I learned this a lot.
I probably say this too much,

921
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,080
but I was trying to learn, am
still trying to learn Korean,

922
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,800
and it is a language spoken at
the front of your mouth and in

923
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,040
your chest.
And I don't do that.

924
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,200
And so I am.
I was trying to learn.

925
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,640
Or even during the process of my
Ted X.

926
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,120
My coach was like chess voice
Holly, Chess voice Holly.

927
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,480
She also made me talk with my
hand in my back pocket, which

928
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,160
made me forget so many of my
words because I was too emotive

929
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,880
at first.
I'm going to, I'm going to find

930
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,200
that Lady and I'm going to
wrestle her a little bit because

931
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,920
I never would have made you put
your hands in your back pockets.

932
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,240
I would actually tell you to
take your hands out of your

933
00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:00,360
pockets.
You would like her?

934
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,520
I actually really like her.
She was my favorite part of the

935
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,360
experience.
I'm not.

936
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,760
Going to be there.
But yeah, how would you give the

937
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,080
even someone who's just
speaking, maybe in an office

938
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,600
meeting, it's like.
Yeah, I think you're.

939
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,400
Talking you, are you taking more
seriously if your voice is a

940
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,560
little softer?
I know when I'm really mad or in

941
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,320
production to get someone's
attention, I would talk this

942
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,000
loud.
I would make them lean in.

943
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,520
Sure, yes, that's a, that's a,
that's a strategy for, yes,

944
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,640
getting someone's attention when
they can't hear you, certainly.

945
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:33,560
But when you are in front of an
audience and you want to project

946
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,880
your voice, then yeah, it needs
to come from your chest.

947
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:38,880
And that comes just, again, it
comes from practice.

948
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,520
It's like anything else.
It's like working out.

949
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:41,080
It's like.
That's.

950
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:47,280
Like my for real warmups, vocal
exercises that you can do true

951
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,720
classic, state-of-the-art old
school, but your camera's frozen

952
00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:53,440
and not the best photo.
There you go.

953
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:54,360
OK, much better.
It's.

954
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,360
Like it freezes, but it doesn't
freeze on the other end.

955
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,640
You were stuck in.
I'm pretty.

956
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,160
It's.
One of those things I'm getting

957
00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:06,040
over in this podcasting thing is
like, I kind of want to do a

958
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,960
whole series on my Instagram of
the awkward face.

959
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,160
That's my sense of humor.
So yeah.

960
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:16,480
But yeah, good old fashioned
theatrical vocal warmups and

961
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:18,560
there's a million of them out
there.

962
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,560
And there are things that you
can do on a daily basis or, you

963
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,560
know, multiple times a day.
That's one keeping your, your

964
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,200
vocal cords warm, getting, you
know, the air and the sound more

965
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:34,000
down here and coming from your
diaphragm as opposed to just let

966
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,960
me just go up there cold and
open my mouth.

967
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:40,040
And, you know, it's, it's no.
If you're going to go and play

968
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,080
a, a game of, you know, if
you're going to go play soccer,

969
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,000
if you're going to go play
baseball, if you're going to go

970
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,520
play football, if you're going
to go for a run, you're going to

971
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:49,800
stretch, you're going to warm
up.

972
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:55,760
You're not just going to go if
you do cool, there's a good

973
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,520
chance you might damage
something.

974
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:03,360
You've got less of a chance of
hurting yourself if you warm up

975
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,320
and prepare properly.
And yeah, you can.

976
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:10,360
I can find you a bazillion
different vocal exercises and

977
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,200
you should probably do several
of them on a semi regular base

978
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,360
on a regular basis to, you know,
get into that practice of

979
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,480
hearing your voice down here and
getting the air, yes, moving

980
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,240
from your diaphragm.
I think it's part of excitement

981
00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:25,200
too.
I'm like, I'm so excited.

982
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,680
I'm like.
Yes, because you're and you're

983
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,000
also trying to express that and
share that as well.

984
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,000
If you're a speaker and you're
not excited about what you're

985
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,760
talking about, no chance your
audience is going to be excited

986
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,600
about what you're talking.
About that'll be our opening

987
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,280
frame, that face we just both
made just like that awkward.

988
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:46,840
Do you ever coach like students
or in college or in even high

989
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,000
schools?
Because in town, we're in

990
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,960
Charlotte and they have the
Bloomies.

991
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,760
Thank you.
And so I'm curious if you help

992
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,200
any students ever or you prefer
dealing with full grown people.

993
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:05,080
I I prefer full grown people
I've worked with on the acting

994
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:06,640
side.
Are you talking or public

995
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,080
speaking or both?
I have not had the chance to

996
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:14,760
work with anyone under the adult
age on public speaking.

997
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,600
Yeah, I used to work with, you
know, high school kids and

998
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:22,240
teenagers when I was teaching,
you know, more studio classes

999
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:25,280
and things like that.
The little ones, I never really

1000
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:26,720
had a thing with the younger
ones.

1001
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:30,320
Not because I don't like kids,
it's just that I don't know how

1002
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,160
to handle.
Like, I think it takes a special

1003
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,360
person who knows how to
communicate with kids.

1004
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,360
And I'm not one to real like,
yeah, I'm not going to get roll

1005
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,560
around on the floor with a bunch
of seven-year olds.

1006
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:47,360
And yeah, that's not my thing.
No, you know, yeah, there are

1007
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,280
people who are much better at
that than I am.

1008
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:54,240
So I prefer to work with adults
just because I have more

1009
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:56,040
patience for that.
I get that.

1010
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:57,320
I totally.
I get that.

1011
00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:00,880
It's a cutthroat business out
there in the Bloomies.

1012
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,240
My toe dipped in it last year.
I was like, OK, there you go.

1013
00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:06,440
Now I know.
Yeah, I mean, the Bloomies, I

1014
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:07,360
think are a little bit
different.

1015
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:08,680
Those kids are pretty hardcore,
man.

1016
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,880
They're they, they have the
commitment of adults.

1017
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,760
So that certainly helps with
their work ethic and what they

1018
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,280
want to do.
They want to be good.

1019
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,640
You know, it's not like one of
those things where my mom's

1020
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,800
making me do this, you know,
which I would get in some of the

1021
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:23,760
other classes.
Yeah.

1022
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,680
So what other like ways are you
creative in your life?

1023
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,440
Do you write?
Do you paint?

1024
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:34,480
Do you play music?
I, I started playing the piano

1025
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,680
in my early 40s.
It was something that I really

1026
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,600
wanted to do for a long time.
And I finally, you know, it was

1027
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:44,240
just like, I've got the time,
I've got the means, why not?

1028
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:49,920
So, yeah, I, you know, I don't
play nearly as much as I would

1029
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,640
like because of other things
that, you know, take precedent,

1030
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,520
unfortunately.
But I did, I, I, I learned how

1031
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,640
to play the piano and I was
doing that on a semi regular

1032
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,600
basis.
I even I even performed with the

1033
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,080
School of Rock.
With song.

1034
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,640
Yeah, we did a whole set.
We did a gig, we did a show.

1035
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,840
We did.
We performed over at Hattie's,

1036
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,280
over in Plaza Midwood, which is
this great dive bar, and we did

1037
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,680
an 11 song set.
Me and a bunch of other

1038
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,720
middle-aged people who had no
right performing rock music in

1039
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:23,640
front of other people.
Yeah, a few years ago I was the

1040
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,160
Yeah, I was obviously, I was the
the keyboard player and.

1041
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,080
And the MC or just the keyboard
player?

1042
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,840
Yeah, just the keyboard player.
But I also did realize I was

1043
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,320
like, oh, wow, these people who
I was playing with who were

1044
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,360
very, very talented musicians,
I'm like, oh, they have no

1045
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,120
actual stage presence.
I was like, I'm the only one who

1046
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:45,240
knows how to be up here.
Oh, so if we were actually

1047
00:54:45,240 --> 00:54:47,480
abandoned continuous, like, I
would have become the

1048
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,200
bandleader.
I absolutely would have become

1049
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,520
the bandleader.
What was the favorite song

1050
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,040
you've learned to play for that?
Well, I did.

1051
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,640
I did 100 years by 5 for
fighting.

1052
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:01,960
Nice.
It's yeah.

1053
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,080
I mean, I would sing, but you
don't want to hear that at all.

1054
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,400
Yeah, Yep.
Who's saying that?

1055
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,360
That's a pretty high pitch, Just
saying.

1056
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:13,720
We had two female lead singers
and it is, it is.

1057
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:14,640
It's still.
Yeah.

1058
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,520
It was a hard song for them to
sing.

1059
00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:19,840
You know, there's something
about having that high pitched

1060
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,920
male voice that you just always
look for.

1061
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,480
It's not that a woman Can't Sing
it, but it does change it

1062
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,640
without the guy.
Because I feel like even the

1063
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,840
story is more of it's coming
from a guy's perspective.

1064
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,840
But yeah, that I, I worked my
ass off on that one.

1065
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:38,800
And I also played the and I
played on every, on every song

1066
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,080
we did.
The theme for the for the show

1067
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,400
was millennial rock or
millennial rock.

1068
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,640
So it was everything from 2000
up was fair game.

1069
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,160
So you know, we did.
We did a song from Pink, We did

1070
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:55,160
a song from Avril Lavigne.
We did Florence and the Machine.

1071
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:56,880
Nice.
I would have been down for all

1072
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,440
of that.
Yeah, we did ship to wreck the

1073
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:04,200
machine and she I.
Got it.

1074
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,360
Maybe I should reach out to her.
She's a badass too.

1075
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:11,840
Her voice is like.
You can get Florence in the

1076
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,280
machine if you can get Florence
on there.

1077
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,160
Damn, I'd be impressed.
You I got some pretty

1078
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,160
interesting people coming.
I'm gonna surprise you.

1079
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,480
That's that's that's the magic
of me.

1080
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,480
I'm just like, I go for it.
Fuck it.

1081
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:23,720
I love it.
I love.

1082
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:26,880
It you tell me no or don't call
me back, Oh well, next, next

1083
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,360
there's someone else next.
I was like you said, Pink and I

1084
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,160
told someone else.
I interviewed a rock musician,

1085
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,880
which was so fun.
But growing up, because it was

1086
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,800
the 70s and early 80s, I learned
to play the organ to, you know,

1087
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,320
foot pedals.
I know sexy in the basement with

1088
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,040
the panels.
So.

1089
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,800
But as an adult, of course, when
I had my kid, I was like, music

1090
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,040
is big.
I just think it's so important

1091
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,320
and creative person.
So everything in the house was

1092
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,240
that way.
So I made her take music

1093
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:57,560
lessons, of course, and piano.
And she had aptitude, which was

1094
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,600
just amazing to watch.
Like she had the right, like,

1095
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,240
you know, her hand was right.
You know, that you can't teach

1096
00:57:03,240 --> 00:57:05,280
some things.
You either have it or you don't.

1097
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,200
And then I was like, well, maybe
I'll be brave enough to see if I

1098
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,480
can still read music, really.
Or.

1099
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:15,000
And I learned Just Give Me a
Reason by Pink.

1100
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,360
And yeah, wow, I really had to
grit my teeth because that was

1101
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,200
hard for me.
And I was like, because left

1102
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,080
hand and organ is chords, but
left hand and piano was not.

1103
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,280
It's a lot more, there's a lot
more movement.

1104
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:32,600
So that was a a big one.
So, yeah, and I, you know, I

1105
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:37,440
dabbled in woodworking.
I, I, I've painted in the past.

1106
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,800
I used to be able to draw really
well when I was a kid.

1107
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,280
You know, I think there's just a
lot of things.

1108
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,640
I'm, I'm a fairly creative
person.

1109
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,760
Writing is the one thing that is
just really, really tedious for

1110
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,200
me.
Really tedious.

1111
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,120
And that does not, you know,
play well when you're trying to

1112
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:58,720
put a speech together.
You know, like, yeah, I wanna,

1113
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,720
Yep, I wanna put a keynote
speech together.

1114
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:02,960
Could someone else please write
it for me please?

1115
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:07,520
GPT there you go, add your soul,
add your.

1116
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:13,720
Soul right I mean yes but no you
know cuz again ChatGPT is it's

1117
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,400
never going to capture your
voice it's never going to

1118
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,160
capture your essence or anything
like that so it's you know you

1119
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,480
got to be careful for those of
you out there ChatGPT warning

1120
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,520
you can sure there's always a
shortcut but.

1121
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:29,680
Yeah, do the work right.
Everybody's using ChatGPT, so

1122
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,400
it's not as big of an advantage
as you think it is so.

1123
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,760
How do you help someone find
their voice if they know they

1124
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,480
want to say something but they
don't know how to get there?

1125
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,600
That's a great question.
And that's when we start to

1126
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,640
explore their true, like again,
your true personality.

1127
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,640
That's when we get back into the
authenticity stuff.

1128
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,000
And I know that that's again, a
big buzzword, Authenticity.

1129
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,080
Everybody's saying it,
everybody's using it, but I feel

1130
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,120
it's the same as most things.
Some people are better at

1131
00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:59,680
authenticity than other people
are.

1132
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,480
Everybody's using it, everybody
wants it.

1133
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,400
Some people have no fucking idea
what it is or how to get there.

1134
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,480
And that's, you know, and it's
not your fault, but just know

1135
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,120
that there are people who can
help get you there.

1136
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:16,000
But you have to be willing.
Is there a?

1137
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,720
SO should you?
Ask people to see if they're if

1138
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,800
you're a good fit with them,
because right, you can't.

1139
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,320
Like not everyone is a good fit.
I don't necessarily ask that

1140
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:26,920
question.
I let them come to that, you

1141
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:34,960
know, assessment on their own.
But that's when I start digging

1142
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:39,840
into, OK, what do you like
behind closed doors and what do

1143
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:41,760
you like in front of other
people?

1144
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,560
You know, what do you like when
you and I are just talking

1145
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,080
one-on-one?
And then what do you like as

1146
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:49,280
soon as I turn the camera on?
Does your personality change?

1147
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,960
Is, you know, do you go into
performance mode?

1148
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,560
And while as you know, just from
doing a teedx talk, that a teedx

1149
00:59:55,560 --> 01:00:01,160
talk is a performance, but I
think performance has has gone

1150
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,640
into, well, I've got to, I've
got to put on a show.

1151
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,600
I've got to be entertaining.
Yeah, you do.

1152
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,960
But we're not asking you to
become someone else in order to

1153
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,240
do that.
You know, I've had people say

1154
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,000
I'm boring, I'm this, I'm not
funny.

1155
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:15,920
I hate to tell you, you're
wrong.

1156
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,360
You're absolutely wrong.
Even if you have the most dry,

1157
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:23,640
flat, introverted sense of
humor, you've got a sense of

1158
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,280
humor.
You find things funny.

1159
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,000
You say things that are funny.
You may not be the life of the

1160
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,400
party and you're not, you know,
putting a lampshade on your

1161
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,040
head, but there's shit that you
do that's funny.

1162
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:39,560
So all the things about you that
you think are quirky or weird or

1163
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,280
your little idiosyncrasies that
you don't like or that people

1164
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,560
have said, you know, have made
you feel self-conscious about,

1165
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,960
I'm going to make you lean into
that shit, not run away from it.

1166
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,440
It's like, no, we're going to
embrace those things because

1167
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,720
those are the things that truly
make you stand out from

1168
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,280
everybody else.
Those are the things that make

1169
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:55,600
you different.
Those are the things that make

1170
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:59,640
you unforgettable because nobody
can do that the way that you do.

1171
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:04,480
So, you know, I always create
one of the things that I do pat

1172
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:08,200
myself on the back floor is that
I always do create a, a safe

1173
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,000
space for people to explore
these things.

1174
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,680
I hope if nothing else, you've
picked up on the fact that, you

1175
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,360
know, I'm a pretty approachable
guy.

1176
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,880
I'm not intimidating because
you're 64II.

1177
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,280
I am for a guy my size, for a
guy who's 64, I'm really not

1178
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:27,920
very intimidating.
My man Candy is 6 five people

1179
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,880
are always like, he's so angry.
I was like, he's pale and he

1180
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,800
turns red when he speaks.
He's just, he's just big.

1181
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,920
If the same thing came out of a
shorter person, you would not be

1182
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,280
so freaked out.
So.

1183
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,080
Yeah, You know, I'm very, I'm
good at disarming people and

1184
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,800
making people feel comfortable.
And, you know, and when I'm

1185
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,920
working with them, it's like,
look, this is just you and me

1186
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:49,160
here.
No one's going to see this

1187
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:50,600
stuff.
No one's going to know what

1188
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,320
we're talking about, so let's
just explore it and see what

1189
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,560
happens.
And how do you feel when you get

1190
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:58,440
permission?
You give yourself permission to

1191
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:02,720
just have fun, to just be you.
The idea of letting somebody see

1192
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,760
you the way that you are when
you're with your friends, the

1193
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,080
way that you are when you're
with your kids, the way that you

1194
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,160
are when you're at a cocktail
party and you just, you don't

1195
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,760
give a shit what you look like,
which is when you're your most

1196
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:18,720
interesting.
So yeah, I, I tap into help.

1197
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,720
I help people tap into it that
way as opposed to saying, you

1198
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:25,120
know, follow these five steps
and you know, everybody can't

1199
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,120
follow the same fucking 5 steps
and get the same result.

1200
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:32,000
No, you need to, you need to be
able to work with the person on

1201
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,200
where they're coming from, you
know, on their level from

1202
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,360
wherever that might be, from
whatever their experience is.

1203
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,680
No two people are the same.
So I'm not going to treat you

1204
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,280
the same as with this other
person that I work with.

1205
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,600
I've got to find a way to be
able to connect with you and

1206
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,760
relate to you.
It's no different than directing

1207
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,040
actors.
Yeah, acting is acting is

1208
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,560
acting.
But I mean, you know, I've

1209
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:58,080
learned the Strasbourg method.
I've, you know, do Stanislavski.

1210
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,280
I have the Bryan method.
Whatever it might be.

1211
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,280
Every actor works in their own
way.

1212
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,720
So if I'm directing a play and
I've got 6 actors who were

1213
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,240
approaching the material in
their own way, which is 6

1214
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,720
different ways, I've got to get
them all on stage to make sure

1215
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,560
that they're telling the same
damn story and they're in the

1216
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,040
same environment.
So I'm going to be able to

1217
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:19,880
connect and communicate with
them individually before I put

1218
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,040
them all together.
I love that.

1219
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,280
I love that.
I think you should do more

1220
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,400
directing too.
And I need you to see Joe on

1221
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,000
more on the theater stage more
obviously.

1222
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:29,160
I'm working out, I'm working,
I'm.

1223
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,480
Going to have a big banner.
I'll be the girl at the on the

1224
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,800
encore.
Go Brian.

1225
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,360
I know him.
And he doesn't really know me,

1226
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,600
but hey, now we're friends.
Psycho girl.

1227
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,960
The audience, OK.
It's like, I love that you talk

1228
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,800
about how you see everyone in
their way.

1229
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:50,080
I like to wrap up each episode
asking everyone the same

1230
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:53,680
question, which is if you came
with a warning label, what would

1231
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,760
it be?
And I I'm so curious as to what

1232
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,240
yours might be.
I have.

1233
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,280
I mean, there's a couple of
warning labels that I would

1234
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,640
know.
I mean, you know, one would be

1235
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:06,920
warning comes with Catholic
guilt.

1236
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,480
There's that one, you know I.
Like that?

1237
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,560
One still, that one's still
that's still in there trying to

1238
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:14,840
get rid of it.
It's still there.

1239
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:17,880
Warning.
Yeah.

1240
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:22,960
Explosive or warning.
Combustible warning.

1241
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:24,960
May break into song.
Do.

1242
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:32,000
You have a good voice.
I used to have a goodish enough

1243
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,560
voice.
My voice has gotten a little

1244
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:37,480
deeper in the past.
I want to say decade.

1245
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,160
I don't know if it should be, if
it's from age or from drinking

1246
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:41,080
coffee.
And urban, Yeah.

1247
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:45,360
Bourbon, baby, it's bourbon.
But like, yeah, I used to be

1248
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,200
able to sing pretty well, and
now it's like, I'm not a big

1249
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,760
karaoke fan, but people would
kind of drag me up on stage

1250
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:52,280
because they knew that I could
sing pretty well.

1251
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:56,560
And you know, some of those
songs I Can't Sing the way that

1252
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,880
I used to be able to sing them.
And it's like, no, I used to do

1253
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:02,000
a pretty damn good Sings from an
Italian Restaurant by Billy

1254
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,040
Joel.
Yeah, you don't have to say who

1255
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:04,360
was.
I know who that is.

1256
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:09,000
So I can't hit a lot of those
notes anymore.

1257
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,000
So it's like.
Damn, it's a long song man, you

1258
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,760
were there for a while.
It was a great model of red.

1259
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,280
A model of white.
Now I'm gonna that'll be in my

1260
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:18,320
head for the rest of the day.
Thanks.

1261
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,920
Thanks for that.
OK, so our time has come like

1262
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:25,000
we're at the end.
So where do you want people to

1263
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,600
find you, meet you?
What common do we want them to

1264
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:31,160
leave here so we know that they
actually listen to the end?

1265
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:35,280
I think they should write the
word pastrami.

1266
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,480
I listen to the end pastrami.
I don't know, I'm kind of the

1267
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:41,840
mood for deli right now.
I'm sorry I missed that whole.

1268
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:44,080
Thing I know I jumped.
Welcome to the Holly job.

1269
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,080
That was a good one.
I even lost you on that one.

1270
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,040
That was fun.
I liked I liked the confusion on

1271
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,600
your face.
From where do people find you to

1272
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:52,480
pastrami?
I'm hungry.

1273
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,000
What can I tell?
Pastrami.

1274
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,880
Most of the time I have.
I'm a huge carnivore.

1275
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:01,800
But yeah, you will find me
eating meat somewhere.

1276
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,600
You can find me at my website at
brianlafontaine.com.

1277
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:11,760
You can find me on LinkedIn.
You can find me on Instagram and

1278
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:13,560
they.
Should explore public speaking.

1279
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:15,760
They should confine you,
obviously.

1280
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,520
They should confine me because
here's also the truth.

1281
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,240
Every person is going to have to
speak at some point.

1282
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:26,440
Everyone's going to have to.
Most people either don't really

1283
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,400
enjoy it or not that they don't
enjoy it.

1284
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,760
They don't know how to enjoy it.
Yeah, I want to get you to a

1285
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,160
place where you can enjoy it
because it should be enjoyable.

1286
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,760
I mean like, I'm like, I want to
sign up just because I don't

1287
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:39,280
find it enjoyable.
I love conversations.

1288
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:40,520
This is why I'm doing this,
right?

1289
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,360
Like I could talk, give me a
panel, give me some people, give

1290
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,920
me something like to feed off
of, but standing and going blah

1291
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:51,400
blah blah blah blah blah blah.
It's just so fear inducing.

1292
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,280
You got to be able to mix the
two together, because if you can

1293
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,520
do this, you can do the other
thing.

1294
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,200
I believe you.
Say if you can talk to one

1295
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:04,240
person, you can talk to 100 at
the same time, because it's the

1296
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:06,200
same thing.
You're still just talking to

1297
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:10,680
people.
You know, everyone's going to

1298
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,520
have to speak.
Most people it, it, it drives

1299
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:18,520
them crazy or it scares the shit
out of them and, and, or, or

1300
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:21,200
you, you genuinely are just not
very good at it.

1301
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:24,480
You suck at it and you're still
finding yourself in that

1302
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,000
position to where you have to
speak.

1303
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:30,000
Let's find a way to get you out
of that.

1304
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:35,000
Let's help you get past that
because I use this on my website

1305
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:39,360
and I say it in almost every
workshop that I give, is that

1306
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,680
everyone has a story and
everyone's story is worth

1307
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:43,640
hearing.
And I absolutely believe that.

1308
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:48,560
So if you've got something that
you are interested in sharing or

1309
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:51,680
if your company or organization
is making you the face of at

1310
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:55,600
least a certain moment, there's
a reason why you've got shit

1311
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,000
that people need.
You've got information that can

1312
01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:59,640
help someone.
You can make, you've got

1313
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:02,200
something that can make their
job easier, their life easier,

1314
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:04,920
their day a little bit better.
You can give them hope or

1315
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:08,640
inspiration in some way.
And if you can do that and

1316
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:10,560
you're holding it on, you're
holding on to it and keeping it

1317
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:14,800
to yourself, OK.
But think about how much more of

1318
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:20,160
a benefit it and you could be to
whatever it might be.

1319
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:21,479
Yeah.
The world can use a little bit

1320
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,840
more light right like it's it's
crappy out there people.

1321
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:27,000
Let's let's connect and be real
authentic.

1322
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:31,399
Let's Share your story.
Fine, Brian, obviously, because

1323
01:08:31,399 --> 01:08:34,439
he can help.
I mean, if I had another TE DX,

1324
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,880
which I would, I would never do,
but if I would, I would be like,

1325
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,479
I would call you in a heartbeat.
I would.

1326
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,439
Maybe I'll just just help you
get help.

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You help me get over some of my
own little fears, my quirks.

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And my Speakeasy event is always
the first Monday of every month.

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And you'll find that on my
website and on my social media

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stuff as well.
But I would love to have you,

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even if you're not a speaker.
I only leave room for five

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speakers and everybody else is a
spectator.

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So you can just come and, you
know, have a beer, have a glass

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of wine and just enjoy the vibe.
And we'd love to have you in the

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room, OK?
Thank you so much for coming and

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joining me today.
It was great.

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Everyone go listen and follow
Brian and drop a comment.

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Let us know what you think.
Welcome to the Holly Hoos Bye

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from the Holly Hughes Podcast.