Strangely at Home: Chris Georgiev Speaks on Finding Community and Creativity in a Completely Different Part of the World

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Welcome to the Holly Hughes
podcast, where where creative

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people come together to have
creative conversations.

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Today I have a very good friend
from around the world, Chris

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Girgov, here with me to discuss
all things digital content

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creation and travel to Korea
because everyone knows I'm

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obsessed with Korea and he's
part of the reason why.

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So welcome, Chris.
Thank you for having me, it's my

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pleasure.
I'm so glad you're here.

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So just everyone knows is a 13
hour time difference for us.

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So he is really doing me a huge
favor and I appreciate that for

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working me into your very, very
busy schedule.

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So I want to introduce everyone
to you.

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So this is how I found you.
If everyone is not following him

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on Instagram, I think you have
YouTube now and TikTok, but

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mostly for me, Instagram and
we'll have all those links.

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When I was obsessed with Koreas
as a my in my own little world

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here in the Carolinas, I was
following him and they had a

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tour and I literally approached
my husband.

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I was like, do I go on a tour on
a solo trip with this random man

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from Korea or what do I do?
And he's like, well, literally

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you're psychic.
What do you think?

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I'm like, I'm going for the
random man that I don't know at

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all.
And by the way, you do AI.

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So I was like, is he real or is
he AI like?

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So when I first met you in the
lobby at the L7 in in Myongdong,

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I took a picture of us together
early in the morning and you

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were like, what's up?
I was like, I'm just proving to

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my family that you exist so.
Oh my God.

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You have a following.
Like what's that feel like to

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have a following?
And it's you and your

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personality and your warmness
that draws people to feel safe

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to travel all across the world
to visit a country that you're

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also not originally from.
Tell us like how all that

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started.
I mean, it's really long story,

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but I guess we have time.
Yeah, kidding.

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Yeah.
It started nine years ago

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actually.
I've been asked so many times

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how long have been to Korea and
I I don't know how this time

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actually passed.
It feels like I moved here last

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year, like 2 years ago.
But anyway, it was very random.

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Like one day I was sitting in my
office and in the morning with

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coffee, like, you know, checking
my emails and there's so much

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spam.
You just delete, delete, delete,

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delete.
And there's like huge e-mail,

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really long 1.
And I'm like in Bulgaria.

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And you're tired of the nights
of night shifts.

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I don't know what I was tired
of.

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I don't remember.
But anyway, I was about to

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delete it.
And then I just wrote, I just

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read the first first sentence
saying, Hey, I'm Slavina, I'm a

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student, a Bulgarian student in
the university in Korea, and I

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have some proposal for you.
I'm like, OK, let me read.

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Was too long to read everything,
but to make it sure.

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Basically, she was looking for a
Bulgarian companies to introduce

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to Korean companies, kind of
like a technology exchange with

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one of the top universities here
in Korea.

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At that time, I was kind of like
active on the startup scene in

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Bulgaria.
Beside having my startup, I was

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organizing startup events, start
up meet ups.

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I'm like, oh wow, Korea.
Why not?

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I've you know what the
everything that I know about

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Korea is Samsung and I guess
maybe there's some innovation

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there because of Samsung.
So this is how it started.

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I can go back to the story
because it's pretty interesting.

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It actually it made me come to
Korea, but this was like an

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e-mail that I almost deleted,
and this e-mail actually brought

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me to Korea.
Don't you think that's like

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divine timing, right?
Like I would have never gone to

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Korea without you, right?
I would have gone alone.

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So like if you think of all the
magic moments that might have

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like brought you to that thing
because first of all, you're

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creative.
We you are very much the

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extrovert.
You can include and talk to

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anybody, but of course that
still takes energy at work.

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So like to put all those, I
can't imagine the thought be

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like, oh, I have this random
e-mail.

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Yeah, sure, why not?
I mean, I do things like that,

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but most people think I'm crazy,
so, you know, whatever.

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Actually, it gets crazier
because OK, I agreed to work

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with with this girl.
Like we had like a couple of,

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you know, we were using Skype
back then.

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Like, Can you believe it?
Years ago doesn't exist anymore.

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I feel like we're old now.
But anyway, like we're having

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this like Skype conversations
and she's like, oh, we, you

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know, I want more companies to
be introduced to the Korean

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counterparts.
And maybe as a token of

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gratitude, I can bring it to a
conference in Korea.

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And I was not actually so
interested in Korea.

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It was like 9 years ago, like K
drama, K pop was nothing for me.

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And I mean, I knew about Korea.
Korea was like, you know,

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somewhere there.
I knew about the Korean War.

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Like in Bulgaria, we study a lot
of geography and history.

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So we, I was aware of what Korea
is, but I've never been attached

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to it, never wanted to travel
there, you know, So I was like,

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OK, whatever.
So Vina, I'll just do it because

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I want to help my, my friends
like status, maybe they can get

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some business out of it.
And I remember one day I was

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actually in Berlin, like working
in a coffee shop and she's

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calling me and, you know, I pick
up another Skype call and she's

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like, I have bad news.
They just cancelled the program.

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They found a better partner and
like, I'm not happy about it.

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I thought we're doing pretty
good job.

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Who is the better partner?
I'm just curious.

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I'm not going to fight about it,
whatever.

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And she's like, oh, they wanted
to go to Israel.

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I'm like, I mean, I understand
like innovation, technology

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exchange.
There's so much happening on the

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startup scene in Israel.
So she, she felt so sorry about

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it that because I think she
really wanted to contribute

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somehow to my, the time that I
invested in this and I forgot

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about it.
But like 3 months later, she

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calls me.
It's like, oh, I found a great

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opportunity for you.
You need to come to Korea, apply

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for this program.
And actually was like a program

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sponsored by the Korean
government called K Startup

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Brand Challenge where they bring
foreign startups to do business

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in Korea.
And you know, I was not excited.

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Like for me, I didn't help her
to come participate in a startup

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program in Korea.
So I totally forgot.

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But she kept calling me like
every other week.

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It's like, did you apply?
Did you apply?

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It's amazing opportunity for
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I'm like, girl, I know you want
to bring me to Korea, but I'm, I

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was kind of resisting, you know,
that was like, now looking back,

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I was like, wow, I, I should
have done it earlier than later.

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Anyway, one day before the
deadline of the program, the

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application period, she calls
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It's like, Chris, if you don't
apply, I would just apply for

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you.
I know your e-mail.

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I'm just going to fill in the
form.

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I'm like, don't, I'll do it.
And you know, like sometimes

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when you are not fully sure that
this is something that you need

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to do you, you I, I wanted to do
it because she really want it,

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but I didn't put all my, you
know, like all my efforts and

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all I just like, it was like the
fastest startup application for

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a program that I've ever done.
It was just seamless, like 20

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minutes.
I was like just writing the

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basics about my company and I
submitted and I forgot about it.

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And then three months later,
they don't move too fast here in

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Korea.
Like everybody thinks that

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everything is so Polly, Polly,
but sometimes it's Polly, Polly,

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Polly, but at the last minute.
So they just you know, I got an

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e-mail that I almost deleted
saying, Oh, you've been accepted

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for the interview for K Startup
Grand Challenge and took me a

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minute to case set of grand
challenge.

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What is this?
Did I apply for it?

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I totally forgot.
This was three months later,

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right?
And I called my Co founders and

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told them and they're like, oh,
it's a good opportunity.

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We don't know if we're going to
go to Korea.

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But anyway, like it's a good
exercise.

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You know, when you do a startup,
you pitch, you need to perfect

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your pitch.
The more people you talk about

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your startup, the better it is.
So we took this opportunity to

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practice and like couple of
maybe it was like 10 days later

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they said, oh, there's a second
screening and like 2 days later

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they said, oh, you're accepted
to the program.

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And the surprise here was I was
like around August 10 and the

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e-mail said oh, by August 15 you
need to move to Korea for 90

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days.
And I'm like, I'm not going to

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Korea.
So I send my Co founder.

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Maybe I want to know what the
startup was like, What was that

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company like?
Because I know you do a lot of

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IT.
Yeah, it's my original company

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that I'm still working on.
We back then and now we're doing

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like image recognition
technology.

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Now we are through AI machine
learning now it's very hard and

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everybody's doing it.
But 910 years ago when we we

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started, it was kind of like
cutting edge, like a difficult

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task because the technology was
not there.

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But we are on to something.
Bulgaria is famous with like

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pretty good developers, like
people who who write code.

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So yeah, this is my startup that
we started and actually, yeah,

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we decided to go for it.
So you send someone else, you

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fool.
But you send someone else.

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They were there for 90 days.
So what made you finally come?

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And do you still talk to that
person who brought you over?

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Yeah, we're good friends.
She actually lives in Bulgaria.

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She's not in Korea anymore, but
I'm here.

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So I feel a little bit bad
because she was so immersed into

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the Korean culture.
And anyway, I sent my Co founder

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and because I mean, I really
wanted to do it, but I did have

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like a planned holiday.
It was in August and I had like

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a trip planned and I'm like my
Co founder.

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You go, it's an opportunity for
us.

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Let's take it.
Let's not skip it.

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But I had my plan for the
summer.

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So he he came and a week into
the program, he calls me and I

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feel like he's not happy about
it.

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I'm like, OK, kill me.
So it's the first time they

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organize this kind of like
program.

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And you, I don't know if you've
experienced Korea in August, but

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it's extremely hot.
It's like, it's like sauna, so.

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It is, it is why?
Why are there like even their

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taxis are super hot?
I mean, when I've got into cat

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taxis, like, oh, it's 75.
It's like I'm dying.

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I'm dying.
Yeah, it's so hot.

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And I mean, Korea is pretty
amazing, but like sometimes, as

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I said, they tend to do things
last minute.

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So this program, they were doing
it, organizing it for first time

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and they forgot to pay for AC in
the they put them in the a

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dormitory, university dormitory
in sew on actually outside of

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Seoul.
And they forgot two things to

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pay for the AC bill.
So they're like and he had to

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share like a room with another.
August in Korea.

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Yeah.
Can you believe it?

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And do you?
Can you guess what was the

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second thing that they forgot to
cover?

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Food.
No food was OK, even though I

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have a story about the football
was Internet.

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Can you believe it?
They didn't have Internet in the

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room.
They had to go to the common

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area to do work.
So he's like, I don't know what

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you get me into, Chris.
I'm going to do my best, but we

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need to switch and meet, meet
the program.

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That was like a demo day and
that was the agreement.

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He's like, I'm going to do the
demo day.

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And if they and there was like
another evaluation and where

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they can approve and you can
stay longer, he's like, this is

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the deal.
I'll do my best.

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I'll do like, you know, I'll
pitch, I'll do my best.

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But if we go through this phase,
we switch, you come, I'm like,

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OK.
And I'm like, OK, I mean, I

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applied.
It's my deal.

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I need to take responsibility,
you know, and he did pitch.

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They approved us.
And here I am in Korea in the

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middle of September and
everything is amazing.

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And like, Georgie, what's wrong
with you?

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This country is like so good.
Of course, like they had like a

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pocket money for us.
They're giving us money to stay

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in Korea.
So I rented really nice place,

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like a really amazing place in
the middle of Gangnam and.

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Oh, you landed in the fancy part
of town, too.

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And you were in the fancy part,
Yeah.

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Yeah, that is so.
Yeah, I like Suwal.

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I've been there.
I like it there.

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I, I love, I love the adventure
of it.

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I think the first time I moved
across the country, I went to

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university.
I went to College in Washington,

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DC, and when when I graduated, I
got my first credit card, it was

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before it was back in the dark
ages, right?

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It's just like in 1991.
And when I graduated, I got my

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first credit card.
And with it, it came a $99 plane

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ticket to anywhere in the
contiguous United States.

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So the US is big.
So the furthest place I knew was

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California.
I had a family friend that I

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grew up with living there.
And I called and I was like, can

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I come visit?
And he said sure.

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And I came and visited and I was
like, oh, California is not what

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I thought it was.
It was just is amazing to me.

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I mean, the traffic's insane,
but it was amazing to me.

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And then I went back a month
later and then I came back and I

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left my roommate four months of
rent and I left.

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I just called up a place that I
thought someone who wasn't very,

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I don't know, not bright as
bulb, right?

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You know what I'm saying?
Like I was like, well, if they

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got an internship, I can get an
internship.

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And I called the same company
with Chanticleer Films.

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They won Academy Awards.
I was like, do you are you still

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taking interns?
And they're like, can you start

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Monday?
It was Thursday.

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I said yes.
And my family's like, you just

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can't move across the country.
I'm like, I I literally crashed

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on the floor of my friend's
apartment and then I moved in

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with four guys and me into an
apartment.

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It was disgusting, but, but I
just did it.

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I had a borrowed car and a
borrowed map because there was

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no map like on your phone back
in the day.

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I had no idea where the hell I
was, but I did it.

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And then I was there for 18
years and you know, like

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sometimes you just got to like,
go for it.

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I was like, you just can't do
it.

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I was like, I am 22.
Like, what do you mean I can't

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do it?
Of course I can.

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I have like nothing holding me
back.

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I always say that about Korea.
If I was young now like and I

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didn't have a family that I
actually love, right, I would I

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would find every way to be there
for as many months or a season

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or whatever as I possibly could
just because everything about it

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is it just stimulates all my
senses and I am terrible at

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speaking Korean.
I admit that I have a really

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difficult time learning it.
I keep trying but I feel

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strangely at home there and I
have no business feeling at

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home.
There.

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I understand.
I mean, this is my second home.

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Obviously.
It's.

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I never thought I'm going to
spend that long ever.

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No idea.
And like, as I told you, my

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story is so untypical because
most of the people they are in

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Korea because, you know, young
people, because they studied in

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the university, but a lot of
people because of K drama capo.

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But I was none of none of above,
none of that.

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Yeah, so.
Yeah, you got to just like dip

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in before all of that.
I mean, my career obsession

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started because of COVID.
I was like, yeah, I was stuck.

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And a Korean movie came up on
Netflix and.

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I was like, oh, I don't.
Know anything?

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Is it the crash crash landing on
you?

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No, I don't.
Don't do anyone.

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I'm telling you, I don't even
like that one.

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OK.
It's too, it's I'm, I think my,

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all of my fiction of the things
I write are like a little bit of

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magical realism, so and I love
historical fiction.

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So for me, I went that way.
OK.

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It was like my first one was
actually 100 days, my Prince.

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So I had DO from EXO and then so
for me, in my very bored brain,

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I was like, I have never learned
anything about Asia.

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I don't know anything that's not
it wasn't in any of my

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curriculums, even though I had a
minor in history.

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It was very European history
like when I studied.

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So for me, I was like, well,
what's he wearing and what's a

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got and what's a hat and what is
that and what do the beads mean

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and what is this time in history
and what was happening?

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Oh, and here it like.
So for me, it was just

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fascinating.
And the language was so utterly

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different.
But some of the letters are the

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same as Hebrew letters where
they have different sounds.

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So I don't know.
It just like fired all of my

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senses.
And when I arrived, my mother

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explained it really well when I
was telling her why I love Korea

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so much.
She's like, it's colorful

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because you have modern art and
art and installations and open

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air libraries and music that is
free and people don't ruin it.

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It's not getting destroyed.
And because there are rules to

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society still there, right?
That, that there's a culture of

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you don't do that.
It's it would be not good if you

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behave like a jerk, like
especially for a visitor for me

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or an Ajima, right.
So I think for me, like when I

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go there, I, I think that like,
I'm like.

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With that curly hair, you're not
there.

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And your hair is curly.
I need to put the perm.

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No.
And not curly, not there yet,

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No.
Now I know, now I know.

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I also make my family crazy
because when I come back, I all

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the whole time they're like,
what are you doing?

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I was like, sorry I can't.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, you change.
I yeah, I was like, last last

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summer, I was in Bulgaria and
I'm in the mall like buying like

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a couple of T-shirts and I'm at
the cashier and the paying for

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my T-shirts and I give her my
credit card with two hands and

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bow.
And she's like, do you want

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receipt?
And I'm like, nae, nae, nae.

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And the name Bulgarian means no.
And like, it's so awkward, you

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know, like I just realized what
I did.

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And she looked at me like, who
is this crazy dude?

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What is he doing?
I'm still doing it.

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I'm still doing it.
I didn't even live there that

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long.
Way.

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I think the word I used to drive
my family crazy with way.

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Like I was like, I just like
some of my favorites.

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Like one of the first words I
got right and I was like, way.

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Now it's like, Nah.
So Anya, Anya.

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No, Yeah.
It's like, I I don't know.

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It's I don't know.
Whatever.

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I like it.
I'm go.

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I'll end up going back.
I just don't know where back.

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OK, but back to you.
So.

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OK, so now you're in the startup
and you've come to Korea and

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when do you know it's going to
be home for a while?

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Like when do you make the choice
to launch all of these things

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that you do because you are
multi, you have multiple

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platforms and multiple
businesses you're always doing

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and then you babysit like grown
women.

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I don't.
And people, I don't know how you

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do all that.
I don't have exact date but I

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kind of remember a moment when I
thought, oh wow, this feels like

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home.
It was after my second summer in

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Korea, like second year in
Korea, and I was coming back

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actually to Korea and the plane
was landing at Incheon Airport.

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And I start crying because I
felt like so excited to be back,

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you know, And it was so strange.
Even now I'm like kind of like

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emotional when I speak about it
because it was a such a surprise

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for me because I never thought
like I'm going to call some

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modern.
You know, like, we Bulgarians

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are very proud of our history
and like, we're small countries.

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So I'm raised to like, always,
like keep, keep our identity.

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Like we have like, interesting
language.

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We've given the silly Rick to
the world.

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So yeah, I mean, we're not the
Greeks, we're not the Latin, but

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it's a whole alphabet, right?
So we have like, something to

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boast about.
But then moment I start crying,

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like sewing.
And I was so happy to be back to

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Korea and I, it was very new
feeling, you know, so next thing

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I did, I just went through the
security and I went to there's

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like on the arrivals, there's
like a couple of Korean

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restaurants.
I was craving some like soup,

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you know, Korean soup called
soup chige.

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So like, wow, I just landed and
I just went for chige and rice

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and I cried about being in this
country, what's happening.

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So this is when you kind of
reckon reconcile you your

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thoughts with like the idea of
like, oh, this might be a home

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for you.
So yeah, this is the first time

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I felt like this.
And then I decided that then I'm

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going to allow myself to feel
home here, right?

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And, and this is where the
curiosity about the place starts

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to grow, you know, because when
you feel like something's going

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to be play, something's going to
play a significant part in your

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life that you're going to spend
some time more time here, then

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you need to know more about it.
So I was I become so curious

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about everything, about the
food, the culture, the history,

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the language.
So hard.

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Yeah.
You're making me hungry.

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I've been craving Job Jay for
days.

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I just want those damn noodles
and I can't cook it like I've

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learned to cook a do it.
No.

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Not as good.
Not as good.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you can.
You can do it.

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I don't want to, I just rather
go there and eat it.

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Like I told my family, if Korea
was 10 hours or less away from

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us and not like a 26 hour trip
for me, like including getting

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to the airport and everything, I
would be there every year.

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There's just so much.
There's always something.

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There's just always something.
But the food is really good.

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I cook a lot of cream.
I mean, I went to the market and

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I got the right flour and I make
my own kimchi and green onion

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pancakes.
Like I, I'm like, I'm all about

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it.
My family at first is like, did

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you break out the kimchi?
Because I'll stink out the

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house?
Of course, obviously.

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And I was like, yeah, but kimchi
with eggs over, you know, rice

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bottle.
I'm just like, see, I'm my mouth

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is watering.
It's morning for me.

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So I'm thinking breakfast food.
But that is one of the, if you

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haven't explored Korean food, I
highly recommend.

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It's, it's delicious and it's a
huge plate of food.

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Yeah.
There's no eating small there.

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There's no eating small.
No way.

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Yeah, but also there's a huge
variety of food.

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So yeah, if you don't enjoy
Korean food that much, there's

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always something that you can
experiment with.

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By the time I left this time,
because I was there for three

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weeks, I really wanted a
burrito, but I didn't know where

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to go for Mexican food.
Burrito.

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Yeah, there's plenty of places.
Yeah.

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Taco Bell.
We get Taco Bell here.

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No, I've never You don't eat
that.

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You have to be like stoned and
drunk at 3:00 AM to eat Taco

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Bell.
Yeah, and then like I've like

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talked to some of my American
friends.

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I said it's pretty good
actually.

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Compared to what is it, what it
is.

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Oh, right.
You know when you travel, you

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don't go to McDonald's, so.
Never.

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I don't even need that.
Here.

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Don't even eat that here.
I my body doesn't like why would

446
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,520
I do that?
I don't understand.

447
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,120
I don't understand people who
travel.

448
00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:52,880
I can understand getting
homesick or like craving a thing

449
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:57,240
but I would not do that at all.
Especially because so many

450
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,120
places are so the food by you is
so fresh.

451
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,040
Korean people do, actually, when
they travel, They travel with

452
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,680
their kimchi and with their
ramen, to be honest, they do.

453
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,240
They bring their food
everywhere.

454
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,160
And like the the Kim, like the
yeah.

455
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,760
I know they have those vacuum
sealed things for their kimchi

456
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,600
so it doesn't and they have
their own fridge for it.

457
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,880
No I'm I'm down for that.
Although some kimchi, not all

458
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,960
kimchi is the same.
Some of it is way too salty or

459
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,760
anchovy for me.
Right.

460
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,880
Like I'm pretty picky.
Like I finally found one that I

461
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,240
liked here.
You you haven't been long enough

462
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:37,280
in Korea then, like every Kim.
Obviously, obviously I need to

463
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,640
come back.
This is you'll find a way.

464
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,800
You'll find a way.
Be like you need to apply for

465
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,600
this grant and then you could
be.

466
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,680
Here maybe I will send you an
e-mail with the opportunity for

467
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:52,840
you to move with family.
So OK, I want to go into like,

468
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,400
so you're there, you decide it's
home.

469
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,240
And then now how do you start
developing?

470
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,800
Like, how do you move into
content creation?

471
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,520
When did that start for you?
For especially for content

472
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,400
creation, it all started during
COVID.

473
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,040
Like so many things change
during this time.

474
00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:16,480
And I was lucky enough actually
to be in Korea during COVID

475
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,120
because like I was witnessing
what's happening in Europe.

476
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:25,040
Most of my friends were in
Europe at that time and none of

477
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,720
this was happening here.
Like if you remember, Korea was

478
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,000
the first country after China
that was affected by the, the,

479
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,960
but the virus.
But luckily enough, they had

480
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,080
like a protocol and they were
pretty ready to for such an

481
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,480
pandemic.
So people didn't panic.

482
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,120
People just follow the rules.
Like everybody was wearing the

483
00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:47,120
mask.
No, no comments if it's safe or

484
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:49,880
not.
This everybody put the mask on

485
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:54,760
and this created so much
opportunities because while

486
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,880
Europe and America was under
lockdown, we didn't have a

487
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,280
single day of lockdown because
everybody was just putting their

488
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,560
masks and we were having a COVID
cases, but people were not

489
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,360
dying.
One, because nobody was

490
00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:10,800
spreading it.
Second, because they have a

491
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:17,360
pretty rigid system how to track
cases and the hospitals already

492
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:23,000
with isolation rooms and with
treatment and with all available

493
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,320
and necessary apparatus,
whatever they needed.

494
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,400
And yeah, people were just
following the rules.

495
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,040
And it was not, it was not
messy.

496
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:38,040
So during COVID, I could
actually go out and travel when

497
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,560
everybody else was locked,
locked in.

498
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,360
And then I figured out like
whatever I post on social media,

499
00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:48,280
people like, oh, what escaping
how, how did you go there?

500
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,000
Are you even allowed?
So the first you know, 1st 10

501
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,440
minutes, 15 minutes of my life,
I need to explain and excuse

502
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,320
myself why I am allowed and how
legal it is because people

503
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,640
thought I'm like evaluating like
breaking the rules.

504
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,120
You're being naughty.
Yeah, but it was, it was totally

505
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:08,960
fine.
And then after that, like

506
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,080
everybody said, wow, show us
more.

507
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:16,120
So I stopped creating content
during this time and it was some

508
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:19,960
kind of like first a way to
distract myself from this

509
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,120
troublesome time.
You know, you don't, you don't

510
00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:24,400
want to think about it all the
time.

511
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,360
You need to find something to
substitute it.

512
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,720
Business was not doing very well
as everybody like we had like an

513
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,960
online business during COVID, my
company lost two of his of our

514
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,720
biggest clients was pretty tough
financially.

515
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:44,280
So I had to, you know, kind of
like find a way to cope with it.

516
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,400
So I'm going to just like go to
a random place, like go to a

517
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:52,200
temple, Buddhist temple, like
far, far, far away from, so five

518
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:57,160
hours away and you know, so they
can go meditate and it's Korea.

519
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,720
We have like 5G everywhere.
Even on the top of the mountain

520
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,520
there's 5G.
So like it's 4A4 PM.

521
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,600
My team in Bulgaria is up.
It's 10:10 AM in the morning.

522
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,200
We have a company called and I'm
sitting in the fucking temple,

523
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,360
Buddhist temple, you know, like
is.

524
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:15,840
The one in Busan on the top of
the mountain or a different?

525
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,440
One a different 1 was like a
couple of temples.

526
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,560
But yeah, I remember like I was
like doing quotes from like the

527
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,720
kept tea house, tea House of a
temple, you know, and like,

528
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,960
yeah, it was amazing.
So this is how my content

529
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,480
creation started and it was part
of this, you know, COVID kind of

530
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,760
like stagnation around the
world, but also the time

531
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,560
difference with my startup team
help because they're like 8

532
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,640
hours later, like my mornings
were available.

533
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,080
So I'm like, I'm not going to
work like from 8:00 in the

534
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,560
morning till 12 midnight.
So I would have like my mornings

535
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,520
for me.
And that meant, OK, let's go

536
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,000
out, let's let's, you know,
move, let's do something.

537
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,640
And this is how I start creating
content.

538
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,520
I love that you have a way of
like being very welcoming.

539
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,280
Great, you are right.
You start hello, beautiful

540
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,080
people like that's that's I
can't say your name without like

541
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,640
trying to do your I'm like,
hello, beautiful people.

542
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,760
This is Chris.
Let's welcome to this place.

543
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,760
You do draw people in.
Is that just an innate talent of

544
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,560
yours or does that like
something you worked on and got

545
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,560
better at?
I think it's because I genuinely

546
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,840
enjoy what I'm doing, like
exploring Korea, as I mentioned,

547
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,040
it feels like my home and I'm
like a small kid.

548
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,080
Every time I go somewhere, I'm
so impressed because I haven't

549
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,600
been born here, right?
There's so many things that are

550
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,640
new to me.
And when you have a second home,

551
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,560
you have this opportunity to
experience new things and to

552
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,800
actually really enjoy life.
You know?

553
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,920
So like, for me was like, Oh my
God, this is so amazing.

554
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,920
And you got excited.
Like nothing excites me that

555
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,080
much in Bulgaria because I've
lived through it.

556
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,840
I've seen it.
I mean, even, you know, here,

557
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,240
like, you know, this, you know,
right, when you come to Korea

558
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,160
and everything is so different
and everything is so amazing for

559
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,640
a first Comer.
And you're like, Oh my God, wow,

560
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,360
this makes sense.
Or this and that.

561
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,640
So yeah, this was part of the
reason that maybe my genuine

562
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,160
excitement makes people excited
as well.

563
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,200
I don't think I'm, I'm
exaggerating because I'm really

564
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,520
when whenever I go somewhere and
I want to show it to other

565
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,840
people, it's because I'm really
impressed with, impressed with

566
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,240
the place.
Yeah.

567
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,800
Yeah, that definitely comes
through and it makes it inviting

568
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,760
and I think it makes it for
foreigners knowing.

569
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,640
I don't even think I cared that
you were a foreign.

570
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,480
I'm trying to think.
I think it was just that you

571
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:52,000
were every place I was curious
about and I wouldn't be alone,

572
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,360
but we'll get into the tour
stuff after.

573
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,800
You also have a good eye, right?
Like I think it takes an eye and

574
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,600
talent to be a content creator,
honestly.

575
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,080
So do you start like think, do
you have a plan when you go

576
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,680
somewhere?
And now that you've been doing

577
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,320
it for years, are you invited
places?

578
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,600
They're like, Chris, we want
you.

579
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,000
We want you to do this for us.
Like how does it work?

580
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,800
I mean, when I started, I didn't
have a plan, I just knew that I

581
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,200
want to explore.
But I had this idea that since

582
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:29,320
I'm being places that I might
never see again because I was

583
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,960
not sure how long I'm going to
be in Korea.

584
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,400
So that was the first thing I
might never see it.

585
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,640
So let's document, right?
It's kind of like you're a

586
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,840
tourist, but not tourist, but
you you're here, but you're not

587
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,320
here.
And so it's unclear how long.

588
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,000
So I'm like, OK, I want to keep
these memories.

589
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,000
And with the, the, you know, the
power phones these days, you

590
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,800
don't have to, you know,
unlimited photos and videos.

591
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,120
And second thing, at some point
I was like, OK, maybe I might

592
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,640
turn at some point, like content
creation as a hobby.

593
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,880
And since I'm here, let's take
as much videos and photos as as

594
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,440
I can.
Even though back then I didn't

595
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,320
have any idea how I'm going to
use it, what I'm going to do

596
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:10,560
with it.
I was just, OK.

597
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:16,480
It's a good way to, you know,
accumulate memories and keep it.

598
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,000
If I use it, good.
If I don't, fine.

599
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,600
You know, So I start documenting
my life in Korea from very early

600
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,120
time.
And that's the reason I have so

601
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,040
much content.
And sometimes, like, people

602
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,200
think I'm, like, exploring all
the time.

603
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,640
But actually, sometimes I post
content that's three, 4-5 years

604
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,880
old and, like, I don't have to
tell people when I recorded my

605
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:39,320
foot.
No, no.

606
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,280
It's like sometimes I'm like,
hey, they, that's me.

607
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,400
That's from like my first trip.
I know that.

608
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:45,720
Yeah, yeah.
Recycle.

609
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,720
I use it, of course.
Yeah.

610
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,000
So this is how it's happened.
And for the I good I I think

611
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,360
it's part of the culture here,
You know, Korean people in

612
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,840
general, they're so good with
the photography and aesthetics.

613
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,240
So you kind of learn you have to
adopt.

614
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:08,200
It just cannot be mediocre.
You need to rise to the level

615
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,320
because it's like a whole
choreography when you take a

616
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,320
selfie or how you take the food
and the settings.

617
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,400
So you need to blend in and this
is part of the blend.

618
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,320
You need to learn how to use
your camera.

619
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,640
Otherwise, people are going to
be like these foreigners.

620
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,000
And you have to wear black.
Those are, like, the two things.

621
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,520
Yeah.
Like wear black.

622
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,040
Oh, come on.
Almost everyone there is like.

623
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,120
No, I mean, I wear black because
I'm fat.

624
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,200
So I, you know, black makes me
sleep.

625
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:39,240
If I hate black, if I'm slimmer,
I'm going to be all white, but

626
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,080
I'm not.
So that's that's the color of,

627
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,600
not the color.
We know your secret.

628
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,680
It's a necessity, necessity.
You're not fat.

629
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,360
You're great.
You're crazy, but you're not

630
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,920
bad, OK?
So is that when you like in

631
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,280
Korea, when they see you, they
they're like, oh, Chris, you

632
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,400
gained weight.
Let's go hiking.

633
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,400
Yeah.
So I'm.

634
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,640
I've heard that about the
culture.

635
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,720
I've heard that which is I
think.

636
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,600
It's in a good way because they
care.

637
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:11,639
But like for the foreign, for my
foreign, mine is like, thank

638
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:17,639
you, I'm good too.
It's like, and by the way,

639
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:20,280
Korean hikes, everyone should
know, first of all, Korea is a

640
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,199
mountain range.
You're never on a flat surface.

641
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,040
So when they say hike, it's
quite steep.

642
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,960
It's not.
They're not easy.

643
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:31,440
It's like, it's like coming
home.

644
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,639
I'm like on a hill like it's
like this.

645
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,320
I will see one day, every night
when I come home.

646
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,600
I remember the when we were in
Busad and we were like just

647
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,800
walking around and it was an
older woman.

648
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,320
I would put her in her 80s,
lived up the mountain.

649
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,880
I just watched her go and she
didn't slow.

650
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,920
It was like walking to the
mailbox for her.

651
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,400
I was like.
That no, no, they're like very

652
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,200
fit here.
I mean, I don't hike too often,

653
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,560
but when you go in the mountain,
they're like all properly

654
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,400
dressed like a Mountaineers and
they're brisk.

655
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,000
They they just like, you know,
they just run up the hill.

656
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,080
It's amazing.
It's insane.

657
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:14,520
It's insane, everyone.
Should know if you do go to

658
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,160
Korea that you have to have good
shoes and there will be a

659
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,440
million steps literally up and
then down and then up and then

660
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,120
down.
Even like just using the public

661
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,280
transport, the metro, it's 100
steps a day.

662
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,960
You know, I start like recording
how much I woke at some point

663
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,920
because you know, like everybody
wants to be feet and when they

664
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,200
tell you you're fat, you need to
take care, right.

665
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,120
One day I just record.
I just like like paid attention

666
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,600
to how much I woke and I was a
regular office day.

667
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,880
Like I just this day I just wake
up, went to the office, worked

668
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,200
in the office, get lunch there
and came back home 10,000 step.

669
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,720
Yeah.
Just commuting to work.

670
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,000
It's just crazy because like the
city is so big, so you don't

671
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,800
actually realize how much you
have to walk.

672
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,520
And even like, you know, just
going to the metro, but in the

673
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,120
metro you walk a lot because
it's mammoth huge.

674
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,840
Like metro station.
Sometimes you have to transfer

675
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,520
from one line to another and you
have to walk a lot.

676
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:18,120
It's good.
Yeah.

677
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,320
I lose weight every time I go.
Yeah, I, yeah, totally.

678
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,720
Like I, I just because of The
Walking is everyone or this is

679
00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:28,320
part of what makes my family so
annoyed at me when I come back.

680
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,760
I was like, you know, by this
time in the day, I've already

681
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,760
made 5000 steps in Korea by this
time of the day.

682
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,920
I've, you know, you're like, oh,
it's a 20 minute walk.

683
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,760
What's a 20 minute walk?
I don't want to get to the

684
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,280
metro.
I'll just like, walk 20 minutes.

685
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,200
Although I have to say, like the
last trip it rained a lot and I

686
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,440
got sick.
So that was very annoying to me.

687
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,760
But I think I would come back in
the fall.

688
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,640
Like for me, it's like I'd
rather be a little cooler, like

689
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,520
and and walking around then
sweating because I'm a sweater

690
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,400
too.
So it's just like, Oh, it's

691
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,680
humid.
Oh, that was a lot so but still.

692
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,240
So do you have a favorite spot
like that you like to go just

693
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:07,480
for you that you haven't taken
people to or haven't really like

694
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,080
do you keep a secret thing just
for you or not?

695
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,200
You're pretty open.
No, I actually don't have like a

696
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,480
secret spot that I go just for
myself.

697
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,760
I like to share the places that
I discover.

698
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,800
I don't, I'm not like a
gatekeeper, you know, like I

699
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:30,040
have like a ton of places that
if I feel like how to say if I

700
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,680
need to think about something, I
I prefer to go not to the same

701
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,680
place, but to a new place.
So this is a thing for me, like,

702
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,680
like going back to a place
doesn't bring count the same

703
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:44,040
joy.
Yeah.

704
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,360
Like, like a safe place or
anything.

705
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,640
For me, it's like if I need to
think about something, if I'm, I

706
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,640
have difficult time, I just need
to discover a new place.

707
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,600
So it's that that's probably the
discoverer in me.

708
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,120
Not like, oh, this is my safe
hidden place.

709
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,120
No, I just need to conquer a new
place.

710
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,040
That's how I discovered works
for me.

711
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:06,840
And I love that.
So how did you take your sense

712
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:11,280
of adventure and then, like,
open it to like, leading people

713
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,720
through this country and like
sharing what you love?

714
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:15,720
Like, how did that magic moment
happen?

715
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,440
You got a random e-mail from
someone saying hey, come do this

716
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,720
with me.
I actually got a random DM in

717
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:25,720
Instagram like couple of years
ago.

718
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:29,720
Jay, the guy that Yeah, he.
DM D.

719
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,160
You he DM me, we never knew each
other.

720
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,560
And he's like, hey, Chris, I'm
following you and I, I see that

721
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,240
you explore Korea.
Like, I wouldn't like to talk to

722
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:42,920
you as a foreigner.
And and at that moment, I was

723
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,320
following him because, like, he
was like 2 million or whatever

724
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:50,120
on TikTok teaching Korean online
during COVID and like hanging

725
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:55,160
out with his super cute, sexy
best friend Jacob, and like, Oh

726
00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:59,440
yeah, the candy, you know, So
yeah, like, like and like.

727
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,920
In the gym pictures, the gym
pictures too.

728
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,720
And like, when I saw this
message, I was almost junk

729
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:08,040
because like, wow, I felt like a
celebrity texted me, you know,

730
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,280
and the celebrity wanted to have
a meeting with me.

731
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,960
So yeah, I got like, not an
e-mail, but like a modern,

732
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,280
modern e-mail GM.
So this is he snuck.

733
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,880
Into your DMS like I I'm gonna
keep that image in my mind.

734
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,360
I love that yeah.
So what made you say yes to

735
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,880
that?
Because you know, so again,

736
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,520
transparency I've done, I've
gone on 2 tours with you, right?

737
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,240
And I'm waiting for you guys to
do Japan.

738
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:32,680
I don't know if you'll be part
of that too.

739
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,840
But for me it was a Safeway to
be a solo traveler and go see

740
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,480
everything I wanted to pretty
much.

741
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,520
And and you both changed my life
because now I have friends all

742
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,840
over the world and I love those
women.

743
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,800
I love them.
It's a good experience.

744
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,680
You made it possible.
Yeah, I mean, we didn't have any

745
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,000
experience organizing like trips
and as you mentioned in the

746
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,320
beginning, like 2 random guys.
There's so much scam actually

747
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,200
online.
Like people advertise stuff and

748
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,880
like we were like when we start
talking and when people start

749
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,040
booking.
I remember one time me and Jay

750
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,200
sitting together and like, man,
do you recognize what's

751
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,200
happening?
These are like random people

752
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:19,640
sending us money to a private
bank account at the beginning,

753
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,600
right?
The first time was like his own

754
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,040
bank account.
How do the people trust me and

755
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,560
you like we can just literally
and isn't like not not like

756
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,640
$20,020.00.
It's like thousands of dollars

757
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,760
for the for a trip that's going
to happen like in six months.

758
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:40,600
Like I this really hit me
because I will never do

759
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,400
something like that.
If somebody's organizing

760
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,840
something like that and I had to
transfer that much money, I need

761
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,240
to have at least 10 guarantees.
Well, but do you know what I

762
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:52,400
did?
I'll tell you what I did.

763
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:58,200
I love doing research, so I
tried to research and everything

764
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:03,400
about Jay, who I'm actually
interviewing soon too, but Jay

765
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,480
was in Korean, so I would look
him up and he was like an Airbnb

766
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,160
host and he had all these things
and I was trying to I didn't

767
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,920
have Papa go then right.
So I was trying to find a way to

768
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,120
translate like, is this real?
Is this real?

769
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:17,440
And I was like, and you were AI
guy.

770
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,640
I was like, is he real?
Is he AI?

771
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,760
And back in the day, you guys
are not you are much more

772
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,960
organized now, but back in the
day it was like, yes, send me

773
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,640
your money and I won't talk to
you for six months.

774
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,640
I was like, I don't what, what
am I?

775
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,640
I bought this plane ticket that
is like, Oh my God, what am I

776
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,600
doing?
I'm what am I doing?

777
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:38,280
Like I think the panic like hit
me like and my family's like, I

778
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,000
mean, of course, but then you
were real and for you I found AI

779
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,880
and then I was like driving and
then literally you did I think 3

780
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,040
trips before the one I was on or
that's all I could find.

781
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,200
And I found someone from the
first trip who was American

782
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:59,840
who's and I I went into her DMS.
I was like, I am a random

783
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,120
stranger.
I know this, but are they real?

784
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,800
Is literally what I wrote.
And she's like, Oh my God,

785
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,040
they're real and they're
everything that you see and it's

786
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,800
awesome and it's not fake, but I
get why you think it's fake, but

787
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,880
I promise you it's not fake.
I was like, are you a real

788
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,760
person or are you one of their
AIS?

789
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,360
Like I'm.
So the box that we created.

790
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,960
The bot.
I'm trying to confuse the bot

791
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,360
but she gave me a really good
answer.

792
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,080
I don't remember her name, but
she was very kind and generous.

793
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,680
And, and that is it's it really.
I don't recommend people like

794
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,080
pick random men over the
Internet and show up.

795
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,440
Don't do that.
That's obviously stupid.

796
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,720
But it was one of the best
choices I ever made because not

797
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,400
you, right?
Like you, your passion is shared

798
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,840
with everyone.
And yeah, as you as you notice,

799
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,160
we don't treat people as like
you're not awarded for us.

800
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,520
So we try to be real and like
show your career that we love

801
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,960
because we love this country
like Jay in his Korean way and

802
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,400
me and my foreign way.
I love this country.

803
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:05,200
But yeah, we, I think we walk
the extra mile to make sure that

804
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,160
everyone is comfortable and
we're friendly enough with

805
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,520
almost everyone.
I I can say with everyone, it's

806
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,840
not a yeah, it's not easy
because we're not, we haven't

807
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,120
stated for that.
We we haven't done it like it's

808
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,880
not our profession, but because
comes out of heart, it's a

809
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,840
passion of ours.
So I think it's a.

810
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,360
Lot of work if it's not your
main job.

811
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,920
Honestly like it is a lot of
work.

812
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,040
The tours are typically 8 days
total I think, right?

813
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:37,240
Is that who your tours are now?
So which is a good amount of

814
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:38,520
time?
I think anyone traveling to

815
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,160
Korea, you should be there for a
minimum of two weeks, just like

816
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,800
a minimum to kind of settle.
In to do right and then if you

817
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,160
come for less, you're gonna come
back or regret that you didn't

818
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:49,800
plan much.
Yeah.

819
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,920
I was crying.
I was, I was OK.

820
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,440
This is so true because you only
know the me that's like, not

821
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:57,840
responsible for everything,
right?

822
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,560
You meet me.
I don't have to figure out where

823
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,120
we're gonna eat or what I'm
gonna do.

824
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,480
I'm usually just a little cranky
in the morning, a little

825
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,960
withdrawn and then I'm just like
so happy to be around everything

826
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,920
and for really most of the time.
But for me, when, when Mike got

827
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,120
sick this time and we were
going, we were on the ferry to

828
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,760
Jeju and I had AI had a crash.
I like I had no energy.

829
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,920
I just felt so bad and I didn't
want to be the downer around

830
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,400
everyone cuz like, why would I
do that?

831
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,960
I was like, I'll just go hide.
I'll take a nap and hopefully

832
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,480
I'll just feel better when I
wake up.

833
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,440
And I laid down and I was like,
I'm missing the tour.

834
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,520
Like I'm like, I was crying
because I was like, this means I

835
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,520
only have 5 more days in Korea.
This means that I have to say

836
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,520
goodbye to these people.
This means I won't, I won't be

837
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,880
around everything.
Like I just, I just lost it.

838
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,280
And I was like, and I think when
I woke up, I had a blanket on

839
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:48,480
me.
I actually did pass out.

840
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,080
I was so grateful.
But I was like, just like all

841
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,160
the tears down my face and had
like pulled on my cheek.

842
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,240
I was like, well, then I got mad
at myself.

843
00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:57,640
I'm like, you're going to think
about leaving.

844
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,280
No, you need to be in the
moment.

845
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,480
You need to be right now, right
here, because I planned this for

846
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,160
a year and a half and you know
what I mean?

847
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,080
Like I was like I left and I was
like, when am I coming back?

848
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,480
Yeah, and it's not cheap like
Korea is.

849
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:14,160
I mean, it's not a cheap place.
So you spend to travel here.

850
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,040
You do.
It's worth it though.

851
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,280
It is.
It is totally, absolutely.

852
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,720
I mean, I live here, what can I
say?

853
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,480
So are you going to be there?
How much are you staying there?

854
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,320
Are you always going to have
like the expat life?

855
00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:31,680
I don't know, like this is this
is something like, OK, I have

856
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,600
like, you know, moment for
confession.

857
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,840
So when I was in Bulgaria and
you know, Bulgaria is like a

858
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:46,200
small country, people go abroad
to look for like better life,

859
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,160
you know, like make more money
or like, I don't know, get

860
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,080
married, whatever.
And they come like 3-4 years

861
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,960
later and they speak with this
broken Bulgarian with American

862
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,920
or like, I don't know, Italian
accent and like, come on, give

863
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,520
me a break.
You know, like you forgot

864
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,360
Bulgarian and yeah.
And like, let me try how good

865
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,720
your English isn't.
Your English is not good enough

866
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:12,200
either, you know?
So I'm like, no, I hate these

867
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,400
people, you know?
And last year I'm home and I'm

868
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,600
talking to my mom and like,
what's happening?

869
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,520
Where is your Bulgarian?
So, you know, you start

870
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,880
forgetting words and words don't
come that easy.

871
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,240
And then I realized they're not
faking it.

872
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:32,440
It's actually a thing, you know?
But then I felt because I was

873
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:37,240
not really planted in the
beginning, I came for my

874
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:40,680
business, right and was like 6
months, one year, six months and

875
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,240
then COVID and I kind of like,
and I haven't been forced to

876
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:45,760
stay.
It's my choice to stay.

877
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,560
I enjoy it, but I didn't have
like this solid plan.

878
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,880
Oh, I want to my spend my 40s in
Korea and I need to plan for it

879
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,280
and like organize everything.
So it's everything is nice, you

880
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,040
know, So I didn't have the
luxury and the time to actually

881
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,080
learn the language.
And you mentioned it's a fucking

882
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,160
hard language.
You need to spend time and like

883
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,800
most of the people, the
foreigners that live in Korea

884
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,640
and speak the language, they
came to study in the university

885
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,840
and there's one year dedicated
into studying language and

886
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,800
nothing else.
Like they go to the class 6

887
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,160
hours a day, 7, seven days a
week.

888
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,680
Like for one year they immersed
into it, you know, and then you

889
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,240
barely start speaking or like
you, I mean, if you're good

890
00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:28,320
enough, maybe you start speaking
and then take couple four or

891
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,440
five years to get into a good
level.

892
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,040
And then like you're never going
to be perfect with Korean.

893
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:41,320
But anyway, I kind of like felt
like so bad that I live in the

894
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,720
country and I live in Korea and
I still don't speak the

895
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:47,520
language.
So last year I made a concert

896
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,200
decision.
Whatever happens in my life, I

897
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:55,440
cannot move out of Korea before
I learn the language because I

898
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,000
don't want to be one of those
people that go back to their

899
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,760
home or whatever they move on
and they live 10 years or 15

900
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,200
years or 20 years somewhere and
they don't speak the language.

901
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,840
So this is my, my next goal.
Let's say, like, I really need

902
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:14,280
to invest time and to, you know,
put a little bit more effort to

903
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,480
actually master the language
because I want good for myself.

904
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,560
Like, say, oh, you love this
country, but you didn't speak

905
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,400
the language.
And there is always a good

906
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,080
excuse, like, I've been busy,
I'm doing work.

907
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,760
I've been it's hard.
It's hard language.

908
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,320
Like not everybody Korean people
like to speak in English with us

909
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,400
to practice their English.
So yeah, you have the

910
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,520
opportunities, but you don't
have it actually when you're in

911
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,280
Seoul, everybody's busy.
They just like don't have the

912
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,640
patience to listen to your
broken Korean.

913
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,160
So yeah, I think your.
Korean is like my experience.

914
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,560
You're much better.
You're much better than when I

915
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,920
first met you.
Yeah, even when.

916
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,600
You're speaking.
I'm trying, I'm trying, I'm

917
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,240
trying.
It's it, It's a very slow

918
00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:02,880
progress.
And I think with age we kind of

919
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,720
lose this ability to remember
and to learn fast.

920
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:11,480
I think it this is what it is.
I mean, my gosh, yeah, I'm from.

921
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,480
Me, I studied so hard.
I studied so hard.

922
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,840
I think I under when I'm in a
country, I've always been able

923
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,000
to learn to say please, thank
you and order foods because I

924
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:27,920
hate holding people up, right?
But it's when I was taking my

925
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,520
class, I realized I could not
learn as fast as everybody else.

926
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,000
No.
And I was in a beginner one

927
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,160
class and it annoyed me because
someone who had lived in Korea

928
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,320
for four years was in this
beginner one class.

929
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,480
I was like, I'm like, now you're
just making me feel stupid.

930
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,560
Exactly the worst when they
speak and like you cannot even

931
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,960
remember one word.
I was like Anya Molayo.

932
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,600
I mean like the words I need to
know.

933
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:55,320
I'm like Molayo, by the way, is
I don't know, but I, I think

934
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,960
people see that I try what as a
tourist or a traveler there I

935
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:03,680
understood enough to like be
able to like get a receipt bag

936
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,480
or no bag, which of course I now
forget, but I really was trying

937
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,920
because I wanted to be able to
speak.

938
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,360
But I learned this very strange
thing about myself.

939
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,720
One I figured out I was learned
I was dyslexic because I, the

940
00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:18,880
problems I was having.
I was talking with my daughter

941
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,680
and she's like, that's dyslexia.
I was like, who knew?

942
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:26,120
And then I fit the bill and then
#2 the more Korean I would

943
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,440
learn, I take dance classes
every week, the harder it was to

944
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,200
pick up dance moves.
So it's like whatever part of

945
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:36,200
that brain, for me, it's the
same as like, well, clearly I

946
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,600
still want to dance.
I'm in Korea a lot, so I will

947
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,640
have to like cram to get better
again.

948
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,520
I think as a tourist, there's
actually quite a lot of English.

949
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,680
I think Papago is pretty good at
showing it like helping you get

950
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,200
places.
And I think if you are

951
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:56,960
respectful and figure out like
what is expected of you at a

952
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,560
base level, you can get along
just fine.

953
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,280
But I think I remember when I
first met you, you're like, my

954
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,120
Korean, is it good?
But this time when I saw you, I

955
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,760
was like, oh, your Annunciation
is is very sexy too.

956
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,600
There's something about a Korean
accent, it just makes everyone's

957
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,880
voice like dip a little and
you're just like.

958
00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:15,600
Yeah.
I mean, I'm trying.

959
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:19,000
I understand way more these
days, but there's always a

960
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,240
different way of saying the same
thing in Korea becomes at

961
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:24,320
different times.
And like the language is

962
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,760
actually very rich.
It has a long, long history.

963
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:33,280
So that makes it difficult to,
to understand and to even to

964
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,760
speak.
Like I remember taking some

965
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:41,240
like, you know, speaking class
with a teacher with and she's

966
00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:45,840
like making me pronounce some of
the the sounds and whatever I

967
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,600
hear, I say, she's like, no.
And we've been doing this like

968
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,720
for 30 minutes and she never
said yes.

969
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,880
And for me, I hear, I say
whatever I hear.

970
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,240
I'm 100% sure that this is what
I've heard.

971
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,680
And I just repeat.
And she's like, no, it's a

972
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:05,160
different.
I wanted to.

973
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,920
I think it's like, oh.
They don't say Oh, right,

974
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,320
they're like no, wrong.
Oh, I'm like, oh, I can't, I

975
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,560
don't I can't move my mouth any
other way.

976
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,760
So like, and I want to do
better.

977
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,720
How about like they know what
I'm trying to say at this point.

978
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:22,120
I'm such a beginner.
If they can kind of piece if I'm

979
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,600
not being offensive, right, But
like like, oh the.

980
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,960
One problem with with like with
Korea is like emerging culture,

981
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,240
right?
Like it's becoming so popular

982
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:35,560
these days, but Koreans
themselves haven't been exposed

983
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,760
to this attention.
So in a way they are not,

984
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,720
they're not used to other people
like other nation, other people

985
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:45,680
from different countries speak
their language.

986
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,840
You know, like you say, I know I
say, oh, like you say hey,

987
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,400
whatever.
Like comes up, need a oh wow,

988
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,560
you speak Korean?
No, I just learned 2 words, you

989
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,480
know?
But like with English, because

990
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:03,000
everybody speaks English, like
my English is not perfect, but

991
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,200
everybody has developed like
kind of like understanding and

992
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:10,880
tolerance towards the mistakes
and the pronunciation rather

993
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,920
than I see in Korea there is no
tolerance towards any, any

994
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,360
flavor, you know.
Yeah, they can have a little bit

995
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,840
of tolerance for people from
Busan who have like a little bit

996
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,880
of like here and there.
But if a foreigner speaks like I

997
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:25,960
have a friend of mine, she's
doing PhD here.

998
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,880
When we go to a coffee shop and
she orders in Korean, they speak

999
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:33,800
to her in English.
And I'm like, she's writing up,

1000
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:39,000
you know, publications in
academic Korean.

1001
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,760
She can order coffee properly,
you know, and I don't blame

1002
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,320
them.
Like, I'm like, I'm not here to

1003
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,440
complain about it.
I'm just saying that it takes

1004
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:53,320
time for their ears to actually
kind of like adjust to the fact

1005
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,880
that like somebody with a
different pronunciation and not

1006
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,480
perfect extraction of the sounds
going to speak the language and

1007
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,920
they will be willing to accept
and understand.

1008
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,000
I love that perspective.
Yeah, I love that perspective.

1009
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,680
It's really I hadn't thought.
About it because they didn't get

1010
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,840
the chance to listen as as many
people speak their language as

1011
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:18,080
like we like listen daily like
people with from 100 different

1012
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,600
countries speak English and
you're like OK, I'm I'm getting

1013
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,960
it I I know this language.
Do you see any shifts in like

1014
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,400
the culture of Seoul or because
there must be an influx of

1015
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,400
tourists now if K pop and
everything is so popular?

1016
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,920
Are the people who are visiting
like affecting Korean culture at

1017
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,240
all?
Or is it still like, oh,

1018
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:40,360
foreigner?
Like I was definitely the only

1019
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,120
white woman in a few of the
places that we ventured off to.

1020
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,800
And I love that.
Like, I I don't mind being like

1021
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,320
looked at.
Like, what are you doing here?

1022
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:53,480
Like I kind of, I love knowing
that I'm somewhere that maybe

1023
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,560
other like, you know, it's just
like the newness of it.

1024
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,960
It's like the city.
Like that there are a lot of

1025
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,320
tourists in the city, but it's
not overwhelming.

1026
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:05,000
I'm not like, I don't know, like
it's not like they're ruining

1027
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,120
everything or the life is
miserable because of the

1028
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:10,920
tourists.
I don't think so.

1029
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,320
I think the, I mean, whoever
hasn't been to Seoul, you need

1030
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,960
to understand how big this place
is.

1031
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:22,920
Like the city proper, what we
say like the city administrative

1032
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:28,160
city is 10 million and
metropolitan area is 25,000,000.

1033
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:32,600
We have line number one.
If you get the metro line from

1034
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,120
one end to the other end is 4
hours, it's 120 kilometers

1035
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,880
metro.
You know, we, they've just built

1036
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:44,600
like GTXA line, which is like a
express line and moves with 180

1037
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,760
kilometers underground.
So you can go from the city

1038
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,400
center to the, the, the
outskirts and to the, you know,

1039
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:57,840
metropolitan area, a distance
that usually takes one hour and

1040
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,480
20 minutes.
Now you can go for 20 minutes.

1041
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:05,360
So the place is really big and
it's the way it's built.

1042
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:11,440
It's meant for people to migrate
and to populate and to feel

1043
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:15,080
comfortable because unlike most
of European cities, I'm not sure

1044
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,720
how it's in America, but in
Europe we have the center and

1045
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:22,320
everybody commutes to the center
to shop, to entertain, to eat.

1046
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:26,240
And so it's pretty distributed.
Every area has their own little

1047
00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:29,400
Center for food, their own
little Center for entertainment.

1048
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,800
So basically, you don't have to
move a lot of people to do their

1049
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,720
daily chores.
Everybody stays in their area.

1050
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,920
I mean, you commute to work or
you want to meet some friends.

1051
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,840
But you know, it's kind of very
interestingly distributed and

1052
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,440
it's very livable.
Like people think like Japan is,

1053
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,120
you know, city like Tokyo
because you've seen like the

1054
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:55,120
Shibuya Cross, like this is like
a huge concentration of people.

1055
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,120
But actually the density of
Seoul and when it comes to

1056
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:02,280
population, it's two times
bigger, higher than than Tokyo,

1057
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,680
because here we live in like a
high rise like 4040.

1058
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,240
Yes, yeah, I.
Really want to go into one of

1059
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:09,720
those apartments.
That's one of my goals.

1060
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:11,880
I'm so fascinated by the 40
story.

1061
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,560
Things take me 4 years.
It's not easy to get into a

1062
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,880
Korean home, though.
I know I won't be that like

1063
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,680
because the friend thing is
different there, but that's like

1064
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,480
a whole other thing.
So like one of my favorite

1065
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:28,000
places to that I always touch or
I walk by is is the Chung.

1066
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:33,120
I can never say this one.
Chung Chung, Chung the stream.

1067
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,320
Yeah, Chung Chung.
Chongi Chong.

1068
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:41,120
It's so can you just answer
properly?

1069
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,720
Say it one more time.
Chongi Chong Chongi Chong

1070
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,080
stream.
Chongi Tong Chongi Tong.

1071
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:51,120
Anyways, one of my favorite
places and I I think I wanted to

1072
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,040
go see it because there's a
scene in lovestruck in the city

1073
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,160
with Wookie anything.
Anyway, Wookie.

1074
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,680
But the stream itself is an
amazing place and part of what I

1075
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,640
really like about Korea and what
you show people about Korea

1076
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,280
because I know you you've you've
filmed there as well.

1077
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,960
Is there?
I love when they project fish on

1078
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,120
the stream, right?
And then they have rainbow

1079
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,240
colors and they have planters
and then they have chairs and

1080
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:21,840
you could be there day or night.
And again, as a woman traveling

1081
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,880
alone and sometimes just walking
with another woman, I've never

1082
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,200
felt unsafe.
And I just don't even think I'm

1083
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:33,040
that like ignorant like.
But it's relatively safe, like,

1084
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,600
let's say, safer than a lot of
many other places, let's say.

1085
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,160
Yeah.
And yeah, the city transforms.

1086
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,400
And like, yeah, the level of
attention to the child, It's

1087
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,360
it's amazing.
I mean, maybe it's not as clean

1088
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,480
as Tokyo, but I find it like
really entertaining.

1089
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,800
And like there's so much care
for the people who live in the

1090
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,800
city and who visit.
Like, for example, last week,

1091
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,560
Chongichong was like a a
library, like a open library,

1092
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:02,480
basically.
They put more like cute like

1093
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,480
chairs around the stream and
like you had like a cute lamp

1094
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,880
and there are books everywhere
so you can go actually, you

1095
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:14,000
know, get a book and read.
It was like so romantic and

1096
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,360
nicely done.
And they always have something

1097
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,520
happening over there.
Like now they put like a cover

1098
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:24,360
above the screen, like above the
screen above the stream, like

1099
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:28,080
like to create shade because
it's so hot at the moment.

1100
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,800
So they have like a kind of like
what is it called the balderhin

1101
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,200
or whatever, I don't know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1102
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:35,920
It's amazing.
It's amazing.

1103
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,680
It's always beautiful.
It makes me feel peaceful and

1104
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,200
connected at the same time.
But also almost every city and

1105
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:47,720
even not big cities because we
went to a Oh my God, I'm going

1106
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,600
to use the wrong word again.
I can correct you.

1107
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,240
Come on.
I know, but I keep calling it a

1108
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:53,960
retirement.
It's not the right word.

1109
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,680
Oh my God.
And I practice before I talk to

1110
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,040
you.
A pension, We went to a place

1111
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,360
where there was a pension and
they also had a stream that you

1112
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,760
could walk around like, you
know, like it had to walk

1113
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,320
around.
So I think part of the culture

1114
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:13,480
is to keep nature in the city.
Why I love Seoul and I actually

1115
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,880
I like in Guangali down in
Busan, is that there's art

1116
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,800
everywhere.
Right next to a Buddhist temple.

1117
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,200
Then there's trees being
suspended up in the air.

1118
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,480
And I know to turn right there
because it's like I have a sense

1119
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,320
of direction and where I live, I
have none.

1120
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,840
But when I'm there, even when
the time between, like I knew

1121
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,840
where I wanted to go once I saw
something that I had seen before

1122
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,600
and that makes me feel steady.
And I always know there's more

1123
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,360
to explore.
So.

1124
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,600
Yeah, it's very exciting.
I love it like it's.

1125
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,480
Very exciting.
So how many accounts do you run

1126
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,600
and when is the next time you
are doing a guided tour?

1127
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,760
Because I'm sure people are
going to want to know you more.

1128
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:55,720
Yeah, I mean I'm involved like
at the moment for accounts that

1129
01:00:55,760 --> 01:01:00,000
Instagram, but I also have like
a little TikTok account and a

1130
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,920
post on YouTube like this my
kind of like next project and

1131
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,040
challenge to create more long
form or for YouTube.

1132
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:11,600
I've been, you know, documenting
my life and vertical,

1133
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:16,640
horizontal, vertical photo,
video, all, all form forms

1134
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,960
needed.
So I just need to find time to

1135
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,600
post.
So yeah, it's a lot of work, but

1136
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:25,480
it's slowly from a hobby
becoming like something that I

1137
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:30,320
might consider some at some
point to be my full time job or

1138
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:31,080
something.
I don't know.

1139
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:35,240
I'm not sure yet.
But for the next tour, actually,

1140
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:37,560
you're going to be the first to
know.

1141
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,840
There's no set date, but I'm
working with Jay to create my

1142
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,000
own tour.
So it's going to be, for now,

1143
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:45,960
just Korea.
But it's going to be way

1144
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,080
different than what you've
experienced.

1145
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,040
So it's going to be a little bit
slower.

1146
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,640
And we're going to go different
places.

1147
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,480
It's going to be, you know, a
little bit of mixture of history

1148
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:01,800
and coffee shops and and K
beauty taking care of our

1149
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,440
bodies.
OK, OK.

1150
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:05,200
So, you know, we did fine
Clinic.

1151
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:06,600
My eyes are finally.
Oops.

1152
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,520
I hit my mic.
My eyes are finally healed.

1153
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:09,920
That took a little while.
No.

1154
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,840
Oh, now see if I.
You should have started with

1155
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:13,800
that.
Yeah.

1156
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:15,560
So what?
What year is that going to be?

1157
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,120
It's going to be next year in
the in the spring.

1158
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:24,880
There's going to be my first my
own fully curated by me.

1159
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,760
And I'm like by this weekend
we're going to have the dates

1160
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:32,000
and like the rough itinerary.
So we're going to start

1161
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:35,600
collecting participants and I'm
super.

1162
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:37,520
I'm so jealous I can't do this
Spring.

1163
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,640
When's the?
Like this, no, I mean, if it's

1164
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:44,720
this, maybe I'm I'll do it like
it's not something that I can do

1165
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,560
all the time because I mentioned
it's very tiring.

1166
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:51,480
We we, when we do this with Jay,
we really take care of people.

1167
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:56,880
So it takes a lot of effort and
a lot of your manpower to to do

1168
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,920
it.
And after a trip, I mean, you

1169
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,520
can have an amazing experience,
but then after the trip, I'm

1170
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,240
like, I cannot do anything for
one week.

1171
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,840
It's I'm like, I just, I cannot
speak to people.

1172
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,200
I don't want to be around
people.

1173
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,840
I just want to like lay on my,
you know, my coach and like, I

1174
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:12,440
don't want to even watch
YouTube.

1175
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,840
I don't want to do anything you
know but.

1176
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,440
Wait, I want to tell people how
amazing you are by as a guest?

1177
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:22,720
No, it's like seriously, because
I like, I think everyone falls

1178
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:27,240
in love with you.
I do because you do you.

1179
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,880
You, you don't just you don't
manage us.

1180
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:35,240
You're managing 1000 variables
of transportation of when you're

1181
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:39,600
going to eat of of creating
space for whatever mood you're

1182
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,040
in.
If you're having a good day or a

1183
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,560
bad day, you are helping to
connect people.

1184
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,320
Because when I first met you
guys, I solo traveled.

1185
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,000
And technically I solo traveled
this time too, but I knew the

1186
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,840
people like I was meeting.
So I had friends there.

1187
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:56,920
But solo travelers are welcome
because you are this object of

1188
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,680
connection, because of your
love, because of your

1189
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:03,880
creativity, and because you're
actually a super cool person.

1190
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:09,440
You're, you're a grown up with a
great sense of humor and, and

1191
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:13,120
you're not rigid, right?
It's not like here's a flag,

1192
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:14,040
we're going here.
Whatever.

1193
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,680
It's more like, OK, beautiful
people, you have an hour here.

1194
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,280
I will see you in a little bit.
We're going to meet up here.

1195
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,920
And if you don't want to do
this, you can do that and

1196
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:23,720
whatever.
And there were definitely people

1197
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:27,320
on the last tour who had more
needs than other people.

1198
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:31,240
And there was never a moment
where I felt neglected and where

1199
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,200
that other person felt neglected
or, you know, everyone has their

1200
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,480
own thing.
That's quite a lot of work.

1201
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,560
Like I've done retreats and I, I
don't, I stopped doing them.

1202
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,600
It's, it's very taxing
emotionally.

1203
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:47,640
And also you're up early and go
to bed late because I also know

1204
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:51,080
you work at night after the rest
of us crash like on your other

1205
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:58,880
things, and you're still bubbly
and energetic and that's so rare

1206
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:03,640
and not fake, not fake.
I mean, because we, I mean,

1207
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:08,160
Jane, I would really enjoy what
we do and we want to, we, it's a

1208
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:16,000
great responsibility because we,
we actually know this is not

1209
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,280
easy money for any of the
people.

1210
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,400
Like they are in Korea, not
because they just want to spend

1211
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,480
some money.
They don't know what to do with

1212
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,800
their money and they just came
to Korea to, you know, waste

1213
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,560
money and just have fun.
But it's like a deliberate act

1214
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:35,200
of, you know, saving and
sacrificing and putting like a

1215
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:39,240
dream together to travel to
Korea and to learn new things.

1216
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:42,600
So it's, we take it seriously,
you know, because it's not a

1217
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:46,360
small investment.
It's not like, you know, a rich,

1218
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:51,120
you know, club that we like,
just like, oh, let's have a, you

1219
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:53,960
know, a ten $10,000 retreat to
somewhere and like.

1220
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:59,040
You are very welcoming and kind
and I never saw you lose

1221
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,080
patience.
I don't, I don't honestly know

1222
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,680
how you do that.
And the accommodations and the,

1223
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,760
the way we travel when we're all
together is so comfortable.

1224
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:10,080
Like I could never plan all
that.

1225
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,320
Like planning all that out to
myself is like a nightmare,

1226
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,160
which is why.
So, OK, so now you have the, I'm

1227
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:18,120
going to call it the luxury.
This is what we were asking for.

1228
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:22,240
I'm like, give me the spa day.
Let me let me get my skin Botox

1229
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:27,120
and just do it all.
Yeah, I mean, I guess like a lot

1230
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:31,520
of people that that have already
joined our tour might want to

1231
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,360
join again.
So I want to have like, you

1232
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:38,120
know, more like a relaxed, we're
not going to do all the, you

1233
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:41,000
know, basics again and again and
again because like, we've done

1234
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,200
it already.
And I've figured out that like

1235
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,360
the basics people can do
themselves.

1236
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,960
They don't, you don't need me to
go to Giangbung Palace.

1237
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,120
You don't need me to, you know,
to see this and that.

1238
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:56,360
But we can provide things that
are not easily accessible to

1239
01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:00,400
you, like, you know, like stay
in a Hannok place or like have

1240
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:04,720
like a pottery class or like, I
don't know, like create

1241
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:08,240
something and all like, even
like go learn about K beauty.

1242
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,920
Like, you know, what are the 10
steps that the Korean woman

1243
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,000
woman do?
Woman, women, Korean women?

1244
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,160
And men.
My mine is only men, no.

1245
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:20,920
You know it works for me.
They would do we do wait.

1246
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,640
You said ceramics and I'm trying
to book that ceramicist.

1247
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:25,680
I think I.
Found an interpreter talking

1248
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:26,760
about I.
Will tell you.

1249
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,440
I'll tell you off camera.
I have a by the way.

1250
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,160
Do you have a friend?
Wait, you have a friend who does

1251
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,680
it too?
I have a friend of mine who is

1252
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:40,960
like one of these Instagram
ceramics, like the dual mode.

1253
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:45,360
OK, when I hit, when we hit off,
I'm gonna ask you see if it's

1254
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:46,360
the same person.
Cuz I've been.

1255
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:47,960
Trying to book someone.
Yeah.

1256
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:52,360
But OK, so I wrap up every
interview with asking my

1257
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:55,800
favorite question, which is if
you come with a warning label,

1258
01:07:55,800 --> 01:08:06,520
what would it be?
I mean my warning so pretty, but

1259
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:11,400
like it will be rotten's fast.
It's just like I'm like I feel

1260
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:17,680
like I don't have much time left
on the this earth to play games

1261
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:22,279
and to, you know, do things that
I don't really need in my life.

1262
01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:26,880
You know, so like I'm talking to
other people that I do want to

1263
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:31,560
do stuff with and I will tell
them like I'm I don't want to do

1264
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:35,120
stuff for money anymore.
Like I don't want to, you know,

1265
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:38,640
like invest for 10 years in this
so that something's going to

1266
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:40,200
like in the future is going to
happen.

1267
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:44,479
I want the things that I do to
bring joy to me now.

1268
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:49,760
I'm I'm in a phase where like I
cannot invest in the future

1269
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:51,399
anymore.
I just want to live now.

1270
01:08:51,399 --> 01:08:54,520
So yeah, it rottens fast.
So like take it or live.

1271
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:59,399
Yeah, I can affect myself to the
point that I need to be accepted

1272
01:08:59,399 --> 01:09:02,399
and loved.
If I lose weight or if I do this

1273
01:09:02,399 --> 01:09:05,399
or do that, like this is who I
am.

1274
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:07,960
I don't have time to perfect
myself.

1275
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:10,840
It's going to be more difficult
with time to perfect myself.

1276
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:15,000
So yeah, take it or not.
OK, excellent.

1277
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:19,000
So say out loud the the
Instagram that you want most

1278
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,479
people to who can find you.
It's like at Chris, it's at

1279
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:23,960
Chris beautiful.
He man.

1280
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:30,640
It's so Chris with CHB GB G
comes from Bulgaria the the

1281
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:37,040
short for Bulgaria the the
country Internet code like BG

1282
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,000
Bulgaria.
So that's why Chris from

1283
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,439
Bulgaria Chris BG like simple as
that.

1284
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:45,160
Just follow me on Instagram.
I'll be really helpful and I try

1285
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:51,319
to answer any message that I get
unless it's like super stupid or

1286
01:09:51,319 --> 01:09:54,960
like I mean, if you say hi, I'll
probably not won't say hi back,

1287
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:58,200
but like you kind.
Of it's like 7 accounts and a

1288
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,320
business and a tour.
I mean, you're just a little

1289
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,000
busy.
Yeah, if you have a question,

1290
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,120
just ask the question.
I don't have the time for the

1291
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:07,200
small talk.
Like I'm good too, just like

1292
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:10,160
shoot a question and I'll
answer, yeah.

1293
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:11,880
Excellent.
Well, thank you so much for your

1294
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:13,240
time.
I know it's late at night view.

1295
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:16,800
I love and adore you.
And if anyone has a question,

1296
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:18,400
you can also leave it here in
the comments.

1297
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:22,920
Please like and follow so other
people can find it and go be

1298
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:24,360
creative.
Thanks.

1299
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:26,800
Thank you.
Thank you so much for having me.